USA child concentration camps. How did we get here?

[Quilandros]

Before I leave for work, a quick look at the 'why do it criminally?' question.

https://www.us-immigration.com/us-im...united-states/

(site is not affiliated with the US government, but numbers seem to be in the same order of magnitude in most places I look)

If you are the child (over 21 years of age) of a US citizen, you are in the first preference. The wait for a US visa in this category can be six years.

If you are the child or spouse of a green card holder, you are in the second preference. The wait for a US visa in this category can be five to ten years.

If you are the married child of a US citizen, you are in third preference. The wait for a US visa in this category can be eight years.

If you are the sibling of a US citizen, you are in fourth preference. Several things can affect waiting times of family-sponsored green card applications.

A broken link to government site from 2016 (linked from a NYT article, I think) I found last night suggested that an unskilled worker with no family ties to the states could expect to wait twenty one years to enter the US legally from Mexico. Another article from 2012 was ninteen years, so that seems consistent.

[Sier]

Quilandros, I think you correctly identified the problem. The immigration process is too difficult.

The incorrect identification of the problem is: the immigration process exists.

There are 194 countries. The USA ranks #5 on household income, last I checked. Mexico ranks #35. There are quite literally 159 countries worse off who deserve an EQUAL chance of attaining citizenship. There are 159 countries who do not get those same chances, BECAUSE individuals are incorrectly entering the country outside of the immigration process. Because of criminals who cut in line, people who actually needed to come here to escape a terrible situation (such as MY WIFE'S FAMILY ran into before they immigrated properly) had to wait longer. Not all countries have the luxury of sharing a border with our country for ease of access.

So yea, we need to fix a problem, but we need to fix the correct problem: Policy, and Security. Not enforced charity for 1 country out of 194. That's an illogical solution to this problem.

[Xywalan]

https://twitter.com/JProskowGlobal/s...19915348021249

NEW: I just spoke with the former head of US Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) – He tells me that he expects hundreds of separated children will never be reunited with their parents. They will be lost in the system. Orphaned by the US Govt'.

"the federal government is not very good at keeping track of kids and parents.” he says

One final thought from the former head of ICE: "I don’t understand why we’re doing this. From a border security perspective this adds nothing to securing our borders”

And finally, as it is with most things of Trump presidency, this oozes stupidity, cruelty, and incompetence:

On child separation, former acting director of ICE John Sandweg said "the other thing that scares me Jackson, is I’m not seeing any signs that this was a planned policy change ... and I think that’s being reflected by these horrific detention facilities"

Oh, more to add to the finally, I had 0 expectations that the typical "Christian values, family values Republican" would actually oppose this. The current Republican party is essentially defined by its 1986-style hypocrisy where "family values" means a life spent chasing women and "Christian values" means "shitting on the poor, buying guns, waging wars, and spiting on your neighbor".

[Quilandros]

And finally, as it is with most things of Trump presidency, this oozes stupidity, cruelty, and incompetence

This is something that constantly remains unclear for me with Trump. Was this an intentional, ruthless bargaining ploy, like removal of DACA, which he could then dangle in front of Democrats in exchange for things he wants (funding for the border wall)? Or was this simply the result of negligent incompetence? It's hard to say.

[Sier]

Oh, more to add to the finally, I had 0 expectations that the typical "Christian values, family values Republican" would actually oppose this. The current Republican party is essentially defined by its 1986-style hypocrisy where "family values" means a life spent chasing women and "Christian values" means "shitting on the poor, buying guns, waging wars, and spiting on your neighbor".

I'm going to assume by Republican Party, you mean the leadership, NOT the constituents. Generally, Politicians of both flavors are corrupt, and simply defined by the policy demands of their constituents. Trump could just as easily be a Democrat, I feel.

I certainly do not know of many Republican Constituents, personally, who advocate not assisting the poor, promote waging wars, and promote spitting on your neighbor. That would be akin to me stating all Democrats are sex crazed college students whose hobbies include having autistic children aborted while doing lines of crack. It's a farcical stereotype, and just as offensive if meant in that way.

[Xywalan]

This is something that constantly remains unclear for me with Trump. Was this an intentional, ruthless bargaining ploy, like removal of DACA, which he could then dangle in front of Democrats in exchange for things he wants (funding for the border wall)? Or was this simply the result of negligent incompetence? It's hard to say.

Nah, you are over thinking it. Trump has 0 attention span, he does not read, and he does not care about any degree of detail. He probably wanted a "tough" policy and this thing popped out of the colossal mess that is Trump presidency. Remember the first "Muslim ban" and the confusion surrounding it? This was probably like that too.

[Quilandros]

I found this to be a pertinent twist on the situation which I was unaware of until yesterday. This and other articles state that studies point to a net flow of people from US to Mexico, since 2012.

"Yes, we are experiencing a net outflow of illegal, undocumented workers from America back to Mexico"
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...undocumented-/

[Aristotle]

Again, just dropping off articles I don't want to lose track of:

Fact check: Did Obama administration separate families?

This is inaccurate — there was no widespread Obama-era policy of separating parents and children

The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."

Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.