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  1. #21
    Bullfrog
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    1) Either lie of ignorance or just plain old lying (and of them both Trump does plentiful) does not change the fact that when he opens his mouth untruths just keep on rolling. But as I said earlier, facts no longer matter at all.

    2) I believe that you are pissed off about Clinton but I cannot take you seriously. This is yet again typical problem with right wingers. They want to pretend that "both sides do it!"

    Just for the record, I believe Hillary Clinton set up the server in her place so she could be in control (for various reasons) and she probably knew that she should not be doing it but as a typical politician she tried to cover up her ass with lies. It is very typical politician.

    Now, let's compare this to Trump and let's see you can direct even a fraction of this animated outrage at far worse offenses done by Trump:

    A) Trump claimed that he would love to release his tax return but he is being audited so he can't.
    B) Both were deliberate lies: He could release his tax returns even in case of an audit and later he admitted that he doesn't want to release them.
    C) So a claimed billionaire with a complex system of ties chooses not to release his tax returns and chooses not to reveals his financial interests while assuming the role of the most powerful man in the world.
    D) He claimed he could divest and use "blind trusts" to reduce conflicts of interest. But as soon as he realized the ringwingers do not actually care about "conflicts of interest" or corruption, he stopped pretending. So, no blind trusts.
    E) Not only that, but he also dragged in his family members each with their own financial ties and connections into his administration.
    E2) Add to the various allegations that they have used their positions to carry on their financial interests. Do Republicans want to investigate?* Hahahahaha, that's a good joke!
    F) Then the billionaire pushes a tax cut bill without it being clear how much the tax bill benefits himself. Likely in the order of millions but we cannot know for sure. At least based on leaked information, we can be certain that the elimination of minimum mandatory tax would have saved him hundreds of millions of dollars in the past.

    Clinton was a typical politician, but Trump is off the charts.

    You write you cannot trust Clinton to scrub a toilet yet you let Trump run your country. Heh, it is typical, cliche, and predictable rhetoric coming from ringwingers who show incredible manufactured outrage at mundane matters coming from the other side while brushing off serious crimes done by their own guys while at the same time peddling the "both sides do it!" narrative! Very likely you are just parroting this from somewhere that you have heard.
    Last edited by Xywalan; March 21st, 2018 at 09:57 AM.

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    Bullfrog
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xywalan View Post
    You write you cannot trust Clinton to scrub a toilet yet you let Trump run your country. Heh, it is typical, cliche, and predictable rhetoric coming from ringwingers who show incredible manufactured outrage at mundane matters coming from the other side while brushing off serious crimes done by their own guys while at the same time peddling the "both sides do it!" narrative! Very likely you are just parroting this from somewhere that you have heard.
    Changing Tax Laws to save you money isn't a crime. It's selfish greed, I'll give you that.

    Freely providing "Top Secret" classified intel, however, is a crime. It's not mundane. It gets people killed.


    If you wish to argue which politician is the greatest villain, well, we're going to be at this for a while. I'd much rather argue policy rather which bought criminal is worse for the country. One of the politicians is a rich white man who is trying to get rich quicker (Plutocracy). One is a woman who is only in the position she is in because she was married to a former president (Dynasty). Both concepts are perversions of Democracy.

    I doubt either of us would run out of ammo trash talking either candidate.

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    None of this would even matter if we, as a nation, neutered the authorities and prevalence of government into our daily lives.

    The problem with our government (especially the president) wielding such extreme amounts of power is what attracts the most corrupt, most destructive, most arrogant of all of humanity to aspire for that position. That position (and all government positions) need to be neutered to make them less attractive for those most willing to abuse them.
    If violence is not your last resort, you have failed to resort to enough of it.

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    Where is the like button?

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