Trump's amazing stupidity

[Sier]

Besides, you are confusing a "conservative Muslim" and an "Islamist". You can be a hardcore fundamentalist Muslim without being an Islamist and you can be a very light borderline unreligious muslim but be an Islamist (e.g., Dzhokhar Tsarnaev).

A Muslim is a practitioner of the Islamic religion.

However you differentiate the various denominations of Islam, the Koran is considered the holy book which must be adhered to. It is in extreme contrast to "New Testament Christianity", in that you will find no calls for Holy War, slaughter, tithing, etc in the New Testament. The Koran teaches to convert others by the sword with hostility. The New Testament teaches to convert who you can, and don't waste too much time on people who are not interested in the gospel.

[Xywalan]

They do, as the federal funding of planned parenthood has a side result of supporting abortion services. Asking a Christian who is directly opposed to this to fund it is akin to stuffing pork in a Jewish individual's mouth and force feeding them. "My Body-My Choice" rhetoric should not expand to "My Body-My Choice You're Paying".

I really don't care for Trump's personal view on it, so long as the political actions result in me having nothing more to do with it.

I understand that you don't care for Trump's personal views, but I thought it is a bit of funny occurring.

Regarding tax dollars indirectly going to the planned parenthood, I don't understand that argument. I assume the argument is that federal dollars going to PP's other activities, subsidices their abortion services. But this argument is not an argument and it is a spin since it does not dispute that federal dollars do not pay for abortions. So your tax dollars do not pay for anyone's abortion and therefore your examples of "force feeding pork to a Jewish person does not apply.

[Sier]

I'm fine with you using the term "Indirectly".

It's still across my line of morality.

[Xywalan]

A Muslim is a practitioner of the Islamic religion.

However you differentiate the various denominations of Islam, the Koran is considered the holy book which must be adhered to. It is in extreme contrast to "New Testament Christianity", in that you will find no calls for Holy War, slaughter, tithing, etc in the New Testament. The Koran teaches to convert others by the sword with hostility. The New Testament teaches to convert who you can, and don't waste too much time on people who are not interested in the gospel.

Well, I believe all "Holybooks" are man-made and all religions are fantastically flexible. Sure, the New Testamant might not say anything about holy wars (I'll take your word for it) but that has not stopped the Christians has it (for example "encomenderos"). Particularly, I am personally very fascinated by the "fuck the poor, love the guns" ideology that has been associated with the (religious) right in USA. That does not sound very Jesusy but that's the whole point. Religions are fantastically flexible. Other examples are some Catholic church members supporot of Nazi germany, as well as slavery.

Regarding Islam, you are right that one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam is that Muhammad created a government and fought wars. And depending on the circumistances, ahe "made up" different verses. In times of war, he made up (or rather God conveniently "revealed") suras for martyrdom and fight. In the early days, he made up verses about peace and pacifism.

[Halyanne]

When Conservatives, Christians, Catholics and all those other fervently anti abortion, pro-life people decide to stop cutting funding to the poor in regards to food stamps, support in school and help for parents then I will completely believe they have peoples best interest at heart and care for people.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7...tun-The-Masses
When you all really decide children are really what you want to save, instead of forced birth to people who can't afford or care for children, then you get back to me.

[Gromgor]

1) "My religion is holier-than-thou" arguments between Islam and Christianity are utterly stupid. Both religions are shit, require willful ignorance and self-deceit and are the leading force in hatred around the world. The office of the President is NOT a religious position to be held, thus voting for religious reasons is a complete breakdown in the purpose of voting for the president.

2) Arguments that your tax dollars are going to Planned Parenthood and thus abortion, so you voted for a president that will stop that is, also, fucking stupid. Congress makes the budgets. Fundamental civics here.

3) I've never understood why abortion was so bad, when God aborted the entire fucking planet (allegedly - no actual proof exists of such stupidity). Arguments that abortion is bad seem to stem only from those with the least requirement to deal with the problems. "You sluts are gonna have them babies whether ye likes it or not! Oh, and uh, you don't get no food stamps, cuz, umm, my charity and good will ends when you start receiving some of my taxes."

4) Taxation is theft. Whether it's for food stamps or abortion. Planned Parenthood should be funded 100% by non-coerced contributions, but so too should the military, food stamps, roads and every other service the government currently requires you to pay for whether you want to or not.

5) Trump is a goddamn idiot.

6) If we, as a society, would stop allowing our elected officials to just sign sheets of paper giving themselves more and more intrusion into our lives, then all you anti-abortion people could go about, not paying for them. All you pro-abortion people could fund them yourselves. We could see just exactly who is REALLY a charitable person, rather than just flapping their gums, thinking their religion gives them some sort of clout and morality others are lacking in. The major problem with the president is that he wields too much power, and it needs to be stripped.

7) Anybody who loses their job (or bulk of their hours) to an unskilled illegal immigrant needs to rethink their own value to society.

8) Geography is a terrible basis for the placing of value on a human.

[Sier]

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7) Anybody who loses their job (or bulk of their hours) to an unskilled illegal immigrant needs to rethink their own value to society.

Not all American citizens are going to possess "Skilled Labor".

I absolutely hated losing my job, having just been married, and while I was living paycheck to paycheck. Fortunately, between some massive blessings, some education and hard work, there is literally no chance of an illegal immigrant taking my job a second time. (Good luck getting a security clearance without papers.)

Strong, hard working Americans without a high intellectual capacity should be allowed to proceed with their respective careers without those fears. They do bring something to our society. It's a shame to see it taken.

[Leveth]

When Conservatives, Christians, Catholics and all those other fervently anti abortion, pro-life people decide to stop cutting funding to the poor in regards to food stamps, support in school and help for parents then I will completely believe they have peoples best interest at heart and care for people.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7...tun-The-Masses
When you all really decide children are really what you want to save, instead of forced birth to people who can't afford or care for children, then you get back to me.

THIS.

And there is one facet of Trump's policies that should scare everyone. Climate change. For fucks sake, it was 70 degrees today. North of Boston. In February.

[Sier]

When Conservatives, Christians, Catholics and all those other fervently anti abortion, pro-life people decide to stop cutting funding to the poor in regards to food stamps, support in school and help for parents then I will completely believe they have peoples best interest at heart and care for people.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7...tun-The-Masses
When you all really decide children are really what you want to save, instead of forced birth to people who can't afford or care for children, then you get back to me.

The first point is kind of an unrelated argument. Killing Children != Cutting Food Stamp funding.

I'd rather save both children in your argument. But if you are doing the deed, not taking precautions, and make a "Mistake", I think people should be held accountable of their mistakes, and not resort to murder. And yes, I realize this will queue up the "mother safety abortion" and "I was raped" abortion arguments, but I solemnly doubt the majority of abortions occur for this reason. Ultimately, however, I would rather not "Force" people to give birth, I'd rather people not do stupid things to begin with and take a dishonorable way out.

[Quilandros]

FYI federal taxes have not been used by Planned Parenthood to fund abortions since 1976:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

What is being defunded in the US is other services: Cancer screening, STD screening, counseling, birth control, etc.