Bad Parents? Yeah, I think so: "Lion Tries to Eat Baby"

[Aristotle]

Okay so the risk isn't zero, merely close to it, lions will probably be exctinct before one ever shatters enclosure glass.

Orly?

Gorilla Breaks Glass at Atlanta Zoo - "Small" 360 pound gorilla. Full grown gorillas can be 550+.

[khaltek]

An average lioness is 280lbs, and even that gorilla didn't break through!

[Aristotle]

An average lioness is 280lbs, and even that gorilla didn't break through!

Doesn't matter, and you know it.

Point is, the glass isn't as impenetrable as some people delude themselves into believing. It can and will break eventually.

This is no different than people thinking they are perfectly safe because the walls are high enough to keep the animals in. Right until a tiger jumps a wall and kills a guy.

[khaltek]

I'd argue that it does matter, that 50lbs and method of force-delivery matters quite a lot, but that would be speculative. Let's just say I don't think the risk of a big cat breakout is anywhere near great enough for me not to allow my non-existent children near the glass. Where does it end, not going to the zoo in case a lion breaks out trying to get someone else's child, and then we're stuck in the zoo with it?

The risk of death and injury is way higher at any regular old play-park, or during a contact sports game, and I wouldn't stop them from doing any of that stuff. So there's now way I'd panic if they were being pawed at through glass by a lion on the extremely low chance the stars aligned against me and it happened to be the lion's lucky day.

It's an emotive subject, it being children and all, and we're not going to agree, so I'll leave it there. If a child of mine is ever PKed by a big cat, I will give you 100 orb.

[Aristotle]

I'd argue that it does matter, that 50lbs and method of force-delivery matters quite a lot

Of course it matters. But you said the glass won't break until lions are extinct, and I gave an example of the glass ALREADY breaking by a gorilla not much larger than that lioness. So a little more time and a few more big temperature swings, and bam, a lion can break one too. That's the point.

You basically said it will never break, and I showed that it has ALREADY BEEN BROKEN.

Let's just say I don't think the risk of a big cat breakout is anywhere near great enough for me not to allow my non-existent children near the glass. Where does it end, not going to the zoo in case a lion breaks out trying to get someone else's child, and then we're stuck in the zoo with it?

There is an actual gain to going to a zoo. Education, enjoyment, enrichment, time together as a family, etc. But there's no gain to leaving your child next to a glass wall that has a lion actively trying to murder your baby on the other side. That's the difference.

Everything with child safety is risk reward. You could never let them leave the house for fear of germs or injury, but then they have no life. So you balance risks and rewards.

The only reward for leaving your kid next to that glass is so you can have a couple stupid chuckles over it. Your kid gained nothing. That's basically zero reward for an admittedly small risk (but a risk that has grisly death at the end of the bad spectrum).

Not worth it.

[Xywalan]

Orly?

Gorilla Breaks Glass at Atlanta Zoo - "Small" 360 pound gorilla. Full grown gorillas can be 550+.

As the guy explained in the other video, the glass cracked and it didn't break. So if a charging gorilla could not break the glass, there's no way a lion can break it by pawing at it.

[khaltek]

But you said the glass won't break until lions are extinct

I said a lion would never break it.

[Leveth]

While I wouldn't be overly concerned about the glass breaking due to the odds of it happening being slim... you would see me standing RIGHT next to my kid. I'm not a fan of taunting Murphy.

[Gromgor]

Personally I think this whole debate is silly and you're all just nitpicking so you don't have to admit the other side is right, except in the absolute most extreme of circumstances.

[Aristotle]

As the guy explained in the other video, the glass cracked and it didn't break. So if a charging gorilla could not break the glass, there's no way a lion can break it by pawing at it.

And before this, they said an animal would never crack it.

I said a lion would never break it.

Before this, they said a gorilla could never break it.

Notice how every time they say X can never happen, then X happens, and then its "Oh wait, well Y can never happen." Then Y happens, and its "Ok, well, X and Y happened, but Z will never happen, and we really mean it this time."

The point is, time, moisture, temperature fluctuations, and shoddy maintenance will eventually weaken it. And then it WILL break. Watch the History channel show about how fast the Earth will return to normal if humans disappeared.

While I wouldn't be overly concerned about the glass breaking due to the odds of it happening being slim... you would see me standing RIGHT next to my kid. I'm not a fan of taunting Murphy.

Exactly.

NEVER taunt Murphy when your childrens' lives are at stake. Especially when there's no upside.