Modern Islam... what can you say?

[Xywalan]

I criticize the barbaric laws of those muslim countries as well but is it fair to call that Islam, "Modern Islam"?

What exactly people mean by "Modern Islam"? Is it simply "Islam at the Modern Age"? If so, calling it "Modern Islam" is confusing. If not, then what it means to have "Modern Islam" in a country?

Take Afghanistan as an example. From CIA factbook, Afghanistan has 40% unemployment rate, 800$ GDP per capita, pretty much no modern financial sectors, no large-scale industry, 44 years of life expectancy, 43% male literacy rate (12.6% for females) and school life expectancy for males is 11 years and for females is 4 years.

Is Afghanistan a "Modern Country"? Is it fair to call Islam in Afghanistan "Modern Islam"?

[Achtius]

I read the first four pages and my brain cant stand to read any more of the rebuttals to the advocates for women's rights. Islamic extremists, or fundamentalists if you prefer to call them that are always speaking of how pampered and sheltered western citizens are, how we are the great satan and one day all our riches will be in the hands of Islam. America is where it is today because we recognize the equality of women, we are an affluent, well-educated culture because of this. If it were untrue that we are well-educated then the elite of Islamic nation's would not possess degrees from American universities. Until muslims everywhere decide to stop the persecution of women and stand up to the disgusting immoral leaders of their nations, then the populations of those nations by and large will continue to live in squalor. It is the choice of the citizens of those nations to either continue to accept the propaganda of their leaders and blame the west for their current situation or make a change and stand up for the single most important step to having a successful nation.

[kestra]

A blessed Ramadan to all Threshold Muslims!

[Jidoe]

Originally posted by Xywalan
I criticize the barbaric laws of those muslim countries as well but is it fair to call that Islam, "Modern Islam"?

What exactly people mean by "Modern Islam"? Is it simply "Islam at the Modern Age"? If so, calling it "Modern Islam" is confusing. If not, then what it means to have "Modern Islam" in a country?

Take Afghanistan as an example. From CIA factbook, Afghanistan has 40% unemployment rate, 800$ GDP per capita, pretty much no modern financial sectors, no large-scale industry, 44 years of life expectancy, 43% male literacy rate (12.6% for females) and school life expectancy for males is 11 years and for females is 4 years.

Is Afghanistan a "Modern Country"? Is it fair to call Islam in Afghanistan "Modern Islam"?

It definitely is Modern Islam by any means because we are talking about the regime here and not about the country's accomplishments in terms of life expactancy or school expactancy.

The numbers you pasted here are great - they show just how bad of an effect evil regimes have on their citizens. It is our responsibility to call it out loud and hope that a change is made.

[Malacasta]

Originally posted by Jidoe
It is our responsibility to call it out loud and hope that a change is made.

On the other hand, we could always blow them up and shoot them dead.

Oh, that's right. We're already doing that.

[Achtius]

Originally posted by Malacasta
On the other hand, we could always blow them up and shoot them dead.

Oh, that's right. We're already doing that.

What do you mean by this "we" and "We're" in the quoted statement? Are you saying that you in fact have been killing Afghans recently? Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Do you really know what our rules of engagement are in regards to Afghan non-uniformed combatants?(which pretty much describes every combatant in Afghanistan not allied with coalition forces) I am sorry Malacasta, but we don't blow 'em up and shoot 'em dead cowboy style. Some of our own fundamentalists here in America might wish we did, but believe it or not we are infinitely more lenient than any of the other past occupying forces, which I hope goes without saying includes the Taliban.

[anthson]

Originally posted by Malacasta
On the other hand, we could always blow them up and shoot them dead.

Oh, that's right. We're already doing that.

I always love it when Malacasta and I agree.

[Gaviani]

Originally posted by Achtius
but believe it or not we are infinitely more lenient than any of the other past occupying forces, which I hope goes without saying includes the Taliban.

Don't forget the Soviets. I imagine that will hit a little closer to home with Malacasta. That's a convenient data point for the overarching thesis of the murderous brutality of communist regimes.

[leira]

Originally posted by Achtius
What do you mean by this "we" and "We're" in the quoted statement? Are you saying that you in fact have been killing Afghans recently?

She says "we", because the citizenry in a democratic nation is responsible on some level for the actions of it's government and military. Also, I think it's a pretty safe bet that we've shot and blown up a couple muslims over the last few years.

She didn't say the forces currently occupying Afghanistan/Iraq are worse than the Soviets, the Taliban, the Nazis, or anybody else. She didn't say anything about cowboys. She implied that she doesn't believe that war is going to solve the problem of islamic fundamentalism, and frankly that's a very reasonable belief.

[Achtius]

War solves everything.