Press bias against Palin because she's a woman or Rep?

[Dalaena]

Originally posted by Cais
So, you dismiss valid arguments by claiming I 'hate' Palin.

How very typical.

Come back with something that makes sense, and I'll entertain it.

Well, it does kinda seem like you do hate her with as much vehemence and frequency as you post against her. I mean I was making a general statement addressing the OP's original point, and you thought I was posting something about you. Maybe you don't hate her, but some of your posts and the nature of your posts make it seem like you do.

While you may not have a problem with her because she's female, I think that the way people are speaking about her and the "flaws" they're pointing out have a LOT to do with the fact that she's female. I'd rather have people voting for McCain because she's physically appealing than voting against her because she wanted to be a TV anchor at some point.

Additionally, all this vague, half-baked "problems" with Palin such as her inexperience (such a vague term) and her choice of topics completely undermine the real issues that should be a major concern.

Again, nothing against you (MOVING ON), but I'm boggled by how much people are just losing it over Palin. She's the vice-president. McCain isn't dead yet, and yet people are spending way more time discussing Palin than McCain. She's a weak link, imo, for anyone who is fiscally conservative but lean towards the left socially, but I'm much more concerned about Obama and McCain than Palin and Biden. (By the way, has anyone even HEARD anything about Biden?)

This whole "hate" game has turned politics in who you're voting AGAINST rather than who you're voting for. I think that's a really, really, really horrible turn for politics. We should be voting in good candidates, not voting to keep out bad candidates.

[Cais]

I'm not sure how you and Ari have come to the conclusion that I 'hate' Palin other than that I'm not a Palin sycophant. I've raised valid points, and it's funny that no one has countered them, and simply dismiss them by saying I 'hate' Palin.

The volume and subject of my posts may have to do with this being a thread about Palin. Maybe I'm crazy.

Also, I explained that I respect you, and I would be hurt if you thought I was some loser woman-hater. I didn't take it personally, as you may think, but I wanted to clear it up because I think you're a wonderful person, and I would honestly be hurt and disappointed if you thought that about me.

I've admitted on several occasions that I don't watch a great deal of media: if the media is eating her up on her experience, or that she's a woman, or that she has nothing of substance to say... there's just no way I would know that. My arguments aren't one in the same with the media, even if they sound familiar, yet I'm being treated as though I'm some Liberal agent of hate. I am not. I'm also not losing it over Palin. I'm not angry at all, and I'm not hateful at all.

My conclusions come from my own observances, which indicate to me that Palin has used the same, limited script since the RNC. I offered this as a reason why the media may be eating her up on things like experience: she hasn't offered anything to the contrary. I do watch her speeches, along with the other parties involved. I couldn't define for sure what the media is doing and why, I merely offered what may be an explanation. If it's deeper than that, such as sexism, I wouldn't know. I also know it wouldn't play in my opinion if I was able to recognize it.

To put it simply. Claiming that I 'hate' Palin is a really sorry attempt to invalidate my arguments. I called it typical, because it happens often. It's like equating a liberal or a conservative's opinions to bullshit simply because you're of an opposing political paradigm. I'm not going to play into it. I would never, ever invalidate your arguments by saying you 'hate' someone or some thing, I would never invalidate your argument with some poorly conceived assertion that has no bearing in reality. I don't appreciate it being done to me.

[Dalaena]

Originally posted by Cais
I'm not sure how you and Ari have come to the conclusion that I 'hate' Palin other than that I'm not a Palin sycophant. I've raised valid points, and it's funny that no one has countered them, and simply dismiss them by saying I 'hate' Palin.

The volume and subject of my posts may have to do with this being a thread about Palin. Maybe I'm crazy.

I haven't read the rest of your post yet because I can answer this part of your post quite easily.

This was a thread about whether the media is mistreating Palin because she's a woman, because she's a democrat, or the third choice of simply disagreeing with both statements. I honestly don't care that much about Palin, but I do think the question proposed provided area for discussion, which is why I participated.

Several people just used to thread to discuss how much Palin sucks in general... again. There's already a thread about that. Why does this one have to be one, too? Why does it have to take over so that the interesting question that was proposed can't be discussed? Do you start to see why I'm thinking "Palin hate"?

Now, if you go back to your thread where you think I'm discussing you but really I'm just answering Blog, you go on to talk about how weak Palin's statements are. Blog's original supposition was that she was unfairly handed questions that the other candidates were not required to answer, possibly creating the illusion that she was unprepared. Your reaction would suggest that perhaps this happened. Can the media be used to make a candidate appear completely unsuitable?

[Cais]

I quoted people before I responded. My responses were relevant to other conversations in this thread. When I was scrutinized, I backed my opinion up with valid facts.

I offered an explanation as to perhaps why she was given different questions in her interview: that she's been insulated from the media, that we're closing in on the election, and that she hasn't said jackall about her political platform. I even went so far as to explain the content of her RNC speech, and subsequently, her current script. I'm not sure how that's invalid. I'd actually call that valid in all rights.

People may disagree on the whole 'time' issue, and that's fine. But for me, as we're getting down to the wire, I'm less concerned with the glass-ceiling stuff than I am the real, genuine information that I need to know in order to make a proper vote. I have no idea if her interviewer felt the same way, it was simply a theory.

I offered these reasons as a potential explanation why Palin has, supposedly, been under great scrutiny. I'm absolutely positive that they're valid in the conversation.

I have no special vendetta against Palin. I've merely stated what I've observed with my own eyes.

[Dalaena]

Originally posted by Cais

I've admitted on several occasions that I don't watch a great deal of media: if the media is eating her up on her experience, or that she's a woman, or that she has nothing of substance to say... there's just no way I would know that. My arguments aren't one in the same with the media, even if they sound familiar, yet I'm being treated as though I'm some Liberal agent of hate. I am not. I'm also not losing it over Palin. I'm not angry at all, and I'm not hateful at all.

I'm not involved with politics at all really, but in one sense, even this forum is a form of media. I THINK that I pretty much try to keep to the middle of the road. I'm still unsure who I will vote for, and I'm trying to stay away from the incredible retardedness of both sides of the fence so that I can decide on the issues rather than just sheer vehemence. I know myself. If someone just goes overboard in one way, I'll end up being pushed in the other way.

Originally posted by Cais

My conclusions come from my own observances, which indicate to me that Palin has used the same, limited script since the RNC. I offered this as a reason why the media may be eating her up on things like experience: she hasn't offered anything to the contrary. I do watch her speeches, along with the other parties involved. I couldn't define for sure what the media is doing and why, I merely offered what may be an explanation. If it's deeper than that, such as sexism, I wouldn't know. I also know it wouldn't play in my opinion if I was able to recognize it.

Both parties have pretty much been acting the same since they got started. When it was Obama vs. Clinton, they were flinging crap at each other at a high speed. When it became Obama vs. McCain, they kept on flinging crap. Now that they have another target, it's more crap flying through the air. Seriously, I'm not sure that anyone's even given thought to the issues because there's a whole lot more to trounce Palin on than her so-called lack of experience, which is pretty on par with Obama's lack of experience. It's just really hard to not call bias when people can go on about a vice-presidential candidate's lack of experience when a PRESIDENTIAL candidate doesn't have much more if more at all.

Originally posted by Cais

To put it simply. Claiming that I 'hate' Palin is a really sorry attempt to invalidate my arguments. I called it typical, because it happens often. It's like equating a liberal or a conservative's opinions to bullshit simply because you're of an opposing political paradigm. I'm not going to play into it. I would never, ever invalidate your arguments by saying you 'hate' someone or some thing, I would never invalidate your argument with some poorly conceived assertion that has no bearing in reality. I don't appreciate it being done to me.

I believe you if you say you don't hate Palin. I attempted to explain why it seemed to me like you did, and seriously, if you hate Palin, you hate her, and if you don't, then you don't. If you dislike her, then I'm sure your reasons for doing so are completely valid. It's just frustrating to try to discuss the interesting topic brought up by the OP rather than having to wade through more anti-Palin stuff. I personally don't like her. I personally don't really care for any of her politics, and she has certain ideals that are completely polar opposites to mine. I don't think I'd be offended if you thought I hated her because I'm not sure you'd be far off the mark. She stands for a lot of things that are completely unacceptable to me, and I don't think I have to justify my dislike. You don't have to either.

[Dalaena]

Originally posted by Cais

I offered these reasons as a potential explanation why Palin has, supposedly, been under great scrutiny. I'm absolutely positive that they're valid in the conversation.

I have no special vendetta against Palin. I've merely stated what I've observed with my own eyes.

Can you tell me anything about Biden? Cause I haven't heard jack squat about him. Then tell me why he isn't under the same scrutiny.

I know more than I've ever wanted to know about Palin. Can't say the same about Biden.

I guess that's why this all seems so one-sided. I don't understand why you're okay with Palin being compared to Obama in experience and exposure. She's the VICE-presidential candidate. NOT the presidential candidate. Shouldn't you be concerning yourself with McCain vs. Obama rather than Palin vs. Obama? That's just what I don't get and why I'm getting the impressions that I am. The OP even posted the easy-as-pie questions Obama got vs. the inquisition that Palin got. Doesn't that set off any alarms?

[Cais]

If someone puts up a thread about the Presidential candidates, I'll participate. I've been doing my best to stay on subject: Palin and the media specifically.

Oh, I see you made another post while I'm here in the editor. I would be glad to discuss everyone on all sides with the appropriate thread. I'm not going to make the thread because I don't want to be accused of being biased, and thus invalidated. I would be glad to participate otherwise.

Edit:

Apparently I didn't see the entire post: I'm not sure where I'm personally comparing Palin to Obama.

Edit again:
Apparently I also didn't read it correctly (haha). I'm not sure when I claimed I thought the comparison between Palin and Obama is okay.

[Dalaena]

Originally posted by Cais

Apparently I didn't see the entire post: I'm not sure where I'm personally comparing Palin to Obama.

Gah. That's because I'm not always talking about you! Really!!! I promise.

The problem with forum discussions is that much can be construed as a personal discussion when it's a public discussion. The original post discusses Palin's questions as compared to Obama's. People in other posts have compared Obama to Palin especially in discussing their lack of experience. Hope that clears it up, though it probably won't.

I shouldn't even be posting in politics! It's not really a major interest for me.

[Cais]

Oh, I apologize then. It seemed like we were having a back-and-forth conversation. Sometimes that happens on forums, I just thought you were talking directly to me because we're posting one right after another. My mistake. Sorry.

(((Disregard if you are not Dalaena)))
Actually, I'll expound on why I originally thought your statement about bias and sexism may have included me, so that we're very clear on that. Just about a week before this thread opened, there was a heated debate about Palin's experience. It was obvious that you disagreed with me. I don't generally know what's going on in the media, so I thought your opinion may have been a spin off of that thread - where we disagreed for the most part. Apparently it was my mistake to think that, because you were talking about the media. I probably should have assumed that by the title of this thread. But I didn't because I relished the opportunity to explain how my opinions aren't gender bias.

So in the end, I may look like a jackass for making the assumption that you were referring to me, but it's a fair trade off for the opportunity to explain how I am not biased on gender. I'll take it.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by Cais
So, you dismiss valid arguments by claiming I 'hate' Palin.

How very typical.

Come back with something that makes sense, and I'll entertain it.

Can you please cite where I dismissed your arguments? I didn't.

But you really are a bit out of control with your Palin venom in the last few threads. Go back and read your posts, seriously.

And you MASSIVELY need to stop taking things so personally. You assumed Dalaena was talking about you completely out of nowhere, when she wasn't. If someone doesn't quote and respond to one of your points, you accuse them of "ignoring" you. You need to seriously relax and realize not everything is about or directed at you.