US troops arrest Iranian government delegation in Iraq

[Malacasta]

Leira, I don't think you needed to apologize. Everything you said was rational.
I can't be bothered responding to Gaviani's arguments because they're partisan, aggressive lacking historical and modern context and his analogies are totally crazy so it irks me that you bowed so low before him.

[kestra]

This is our Kobayashi Maru. Where is Capt. Kirk? He isn't afraid to cheat!

Excellent use of this fictional event. How often do you get to use such things?
Not enough, I say!!

[Gaviani]

Originally posted by Malacasta
Leira, I don't think you needed to apologize. Everything you said was rational.
I can't be bothered responding to Gaviani's arguments because they're partisan, aggressive lacking historical and modern context and his analogies are totally crazy so it irks me that you bowed so low before him.

Fortunately, I -can- be bothered to reply to yours.

Please (in detail) explain the faults in my reply to Leira's completely delusional post so that I may shred your reply in due turn. That, or retract your support for her (rightfully disowned) prior advocated lunacy. In either case, I want to know what color the sky is on this wonderful planet you're living on.

[leira]

Originally posted by Gaviani
Fortunately, I -can- be bothered to reply to yours.

Please (in detail) explain the faults in my reply to Leira's completely delusional post so that I may shred your reply in due turn. That, or retract your support for her (rightfully disowned) prior advocated lunacy. In either case, I want to know what color the sky is on this wonderful planet you're living on.

Well, there are several faults to your reply. You claim that I said many things that simply were not present in my original post. I haven't been calling attention to them because my post was poor enough that I felt I could be to blame for the misinterpretations. However, it's becoming apparent that no matter what I say, you are going to continue mocking a post that only exists in your own mind.

Here are some examples:

Originally posted by Gaviani
To say that somehow using force against Iran when Iran has PURPOSEFULLY attempted to incite violence and sow disorder in Iraq for its own strategic gain - again, to the detriment of both Iraqis and Americans - is immoral

At no point in my original post did I address the morality of attacking Iran.

Originally posted by Gaviani
or "George Bush's plan all along"

That's an interesting quote. Where'd you get it from? It certainly doesn't appear in the post you are replying to.

Originally posted by Gaviani
is to completely shift the burden of responsibility for IRAN'S actions to the United States. Do you even remotely fathom how absolutely ludicrous this is?

Indeed I do. That's why I didn't post such a thing.

Originally posted by Gaviani
That having been said, stating that the moral burden for conflict against Iran should be placed on the United States

At no point in my original post did I address the moral burden for conflict against Iran.

Originally posted by Gaviani
"United States 'planned' to attack Iran all along,"

There's that "all along" quotation again.

Originally posted by Gaviani
those evil, aggressive United States bastards are responsible for whatever bad happens thereafter

At no point did I call Americans evil. Nor did I call them aggressive. I did comment negatively on the current American government. The only time I mentioned America as a whole was when I pointed out that the bulk of them don't approve of the current American government either. I had hoped that would indicate that I view Americans differently than I do the American government.

Very little of what you called me out on actually appears in my post, including several of the "quotations" you made. The post you "COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED" exists only in your own mind. In fact, I think one could fairly call your response a "completely delusional post".

[Wrent]

Originally posted by leira
....it's been obvious for quite a while that the plan is to go to war with Iran too, so this sort of thing isn't really surprising.

Originally posted by leira
I could... rant about what a piece of shit the American government is these days,

Originally posted by leira
Bush made it clear ages ago that he doesn't really care much what other countries think about whether or not he should go to war

I think I miss where your original post did NOT seem to indicate that the U.S. and Bush were war mongering.

[leira]

Originally posted by Wrent
I think I miss where your original post did NOT seem to indicate that the U.S. and Bush were war mongering.

That is a fair criticism. My post does seem to imply that, whether I meant it to or not. However, as I've repeatedly stated, I'm -not- arguing against America as a whole, only the current administration.

What I had intended to say in my original post was something more like this:



It's been obvious to me for quite a while now that the decision has already been made to attack Iran. The Bush administration seems determined to go down this road. It doesn't seem to matter to them that they are already spread too thin militarily. It doesn't matter to them what I or my country(which is one of their closer allies) think about it. It doesn't matter what congress or the law think about it. Worst of all, it doesn't even seem to matter to them what the people of their own country, the people they are supposed to be representing, think about it. They are going to do whatever they want, and what they seem to want to do is war.



Most of the points I was trying to make were present in the first post, they just weren't connected well(or at all). My introductory sentence was poorly phrased and unneccessarily inflammatory. I didn't mean to imply that attacking Iran is part of some grand conspiracy to conquer the middle east that they came up with back in 2001. However, I've had the belief that they are going to attack Iran for over a year now.

I never intended to argue the morality of attacking Iran. I'd have to be an idiot to say that they've done nothing to provoke it. The only morality I intended to address is the Bush administration's "We'll do whatever we want" attitude. It is possible that I'm wrong in my belief that the American people are generally against the idea of going to war with Iran at this time. Reading through this thread encourages my belief though. Even those posting against me seem to acknowledge that going to war with Iran could be a pretty bad idea at the moment.