Originally posted by Darion
There are inmates in prisons in the United States who have it far worse than the "civilians" (HAH) in the aggie who never got a chance to carry a bomb on a bus, so save the bleeding heart bullshit for someone that hasn't been there.
So basically, you don't have the right to protest or even mention what happened during the September 11 attack, or feel sorry for the innocents that were killed, because you weren't there, or even on one of those planes?

Originally posted by Darion
My argument was that riots kill people who had nothing to do with the causation of the original situation, case in point: Muslims demonstrate in anger against a European cartoon and burn some churches while they're at it ("How dare you portray us as terrorists!? Let's set that church on fire and kill some people!").
Muslims have been portrayed by the West as terrorists for a few decades now. This protest is about the Prophet being portrayed as one, not Muslims.

Originally posted by Darion
You're gonna take that and say "Well, you don't know what's been going on down there"? That is quite a stretch.

How about the simple fact that the European cartoon they were protesting had nothing to do with the churches they burned -in Nigeria-? It sounds to me like you are essentially saying "Duh, that's what Nigerian Muslims do when they get together, they burn churches! Boys will be boys, after all"
Yes, once again, had you done a little bit of research, you'd know what's going on in Nigeria, and you'd know that it is bound to blow to such proportions in this specific country. In Egypt, you'd never see something like that happening because Muslims and Christians live in harmony. They didn't decide to divide the country into two, a half for Muslims and another for Christians.

When England lost in France 98, hooligans went down in the streets to cause havoc and burn stores in Marseille. I doubt the local citizens of Marseille had anything to do with their loss and consequent disqualification from the World Cup. That's the foolishness of riots, it's a bunch of angry people who senselessly assault innocents, burn and create chaos for whatever reason they deem worthy.

Which brings me to answer Aristotle :

Originally posted by Aristotle
Solubynn, I cannot believe you are sitting here defending a group of people who think it is ok to kill people simply because something they said or wrote or drew is deemed "offensive."

Have you gone crazy?
Defending? You haven't even asked me for my position on riots, despite the fact that I've already said that I don't go to riots
or threaten people. Perhaps my previous paragraph will give you a little insight on what I think about riots.

Originally posted by Aristotle
Whether it is "The Satanic Verses" or these latest comics, it is totally indefensible for these muslim psychopaths to think murder and killing is an appropriate response to SPEECH they do not like.

That's right. There is NO DEFENSE...
Yes, I agree. Though if you had read carefully what I wrote, and saw how my participation to this thread evolved, you'll see that I wasn't defending them and that I am discussing something totally different.

Originally posted by Aristotle
Finally, there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever to the reaction of other religions and cultures to things they find offensive. When some idiot made "Piss Christ", Christians were upset and spoke out about it. They did not riot in the streets, kill people, and call for the death of the "artist." When Americans eat hamburgers, the government of India does not recall their ambassadors and call for the annihilation of the "Great Satan" that kills cows. Other religions of the world deal responsibly and rationally with the fact that some people do things that offend their religious and cultural beliefs. It is only the radical muslims that are so unhinged that any perceived slight against them necessitates riots, death threats, and acts of terrorism.
That is exactly why I started posting in this thread. People tend to mix things up when it comes to Islam. Recalling embassadors and prohibiting the consumption of Danish goods in the Middle East is one thing, while death threats and riots are another. I don't understand why you're mixing all four, it only shows that despite what Kraxe told you about extremists, you still tend to put Muslims (weither intentionally or not) all together in the same category. Now that we've discussed at length death threats and riots, let's discuss the political and economical reactions such as the other two. How exactly does that sound unreasonable to you? Allow me quote you in one of your posts :

Originally posted by Aristotle
I have read a lot of extremely offensive things about the US. A recent example is that utter horseshit movie coming out of Turkey starring Billy Zane and Gary Busey and probably some other Americans. I will not watch the movie, and I'll never watch Billy Zane or Gusey ever again. I do not think they should be killed, nor do I think riots are called for (nor did they happen).
Need I say more?

Originally posted by Aristotle
Of course, the real reason for this is simple: every muslim nation in the Middle East and Africa is a tyrannical dictatorship. They use this as a way to distract their populace from the real enemy: their own religious and governmental leaders that have enslaved them. If the Imam's and King's of the Middle East can make the people focus their hatred on "The West", they can delay the realization that their own leaders are worthless subjugators.
Yes Aristotle, you are right. But is that really the topic?

Originally posted by Aristotle
[B] ... Furthermore, there is NO BLAME to be placed on the people who created those comics or published them, just as there is no blame to be given to Salman Rushdie or the publishers of "The Satanic Verses." Period.
Brannick has aptly explained part of this is in his post:

Originally posted by Brannick
[B] But on the other hand - Islam is not only a religion, but also a way of life. Life and religion is very closely linked in Muslim society, so it's actually a very important issue for them. And if in their religion showing God is already itself a blasphemy (it's prohibited to picture God, Allah), you should be able to imagine what a humoristic image of God can do.
Like it or not, this is how it is. The reporter knew this. What he did was an outrage to all Muslims. Don't try to convince me he didn't know or that he is not to blame. I didn't tell you to suck it when Fareinheit 911 or when that movie in Turkey got out, and don't tell me you agree that the makers of this movie are not to be blamed for it.