Unions, Taxes, and Class Warfare

[Lokrian]

Originally posted by Dalaena
Where the heck are you getting this? I've not seen anything like this posted anywhere except for in your posts.

Jidoe is from Israel, in case you haven't noticed. They are definitely NOT considered a third world country. In fact, Israel is having the SAME problems as the US with people moving factories and companies a few miles just so that they can be inside the Jordan border. (I'm simply reposting what he said.) He was simply giving his view from another part of the world, and I actually appreciate his comments. It's always good to see how people think from different parts of the world or even different parts of this country.

You keep calling our workers lazy and now they're fat, too, but you are the only one doing that. Linking the term "worker" with "lazy" is kind of silly, and I'm not sure why you keep doing it.

I'm bothered by the fact that you seem to think that the third world has all the advantages and the abilities of people who have grown up in a First World nation. Most of them don't have a chance at education. The average Thai hooker has a 4th grade education. I wonder why they're a hooker? Most of my posts are made to try to give people another view point from someone who has very close ties with TWO third world nations, one of which is also a communist nation. When you ask why they don't try these things, the answer is because they have no clue these things exist until one of the First World nations come and builds a factory and shows them how things could be. One of my aunt's business actually got started this way. She was already an excellent seamstress, and she was readily hired by some European clothing company. From what she learned in that factory, she was able to leave that kind of work and open her own factory. Now, she employs over 250 women and a few men. She also married a man who lived in the US for 6 months (with my family) who did nothing but tour factories when he was here. Together, they built a great business, and now they're one of the evil corporations that employs tons of people!! The fact is that they studied how things were done by Western companies and implemented them in Thailand. These things weren't taught to them in school, and even if they were, neither of them could afford to have that much schooling. One has a 4th grade education and taught himself to read. The other has a 10th grade education. They both left school early to work to support their immediate familes and put younger brothers and sisters in school.

Seriously, though, I really don't think that you have to keep going down the "fat, stupid" route. We're really just throwing out information and such, and I don't honestly think anyone is trying to say that there everyone who works is fat and stupid, or else I'd just be sitting around insulting myself.

Jidoe said this:

Originally posted by Jidoe
As I see it. Unions can be blamed for at least two of the main problems in Western Countries:

1) Foreign Workers - Domestic workers have become overly spoiled over the years and unwilling to do most of the hard work (mainly construction and farming) unless they are paid more than can be afforded - and it is always easy to find a foreign worker who will work for much less.

The accusation here is that the reason jobs have to leave is because people are "spoiled". I fill in different adjectives to illustrate what that sounds like to me and to a lot of people I think when they hear how spoiled westerners are because they won't work unless you pay them a wage that will allow them to live in a lifestyle more or less the same as they are accustomed.

All these things... all these horrible things... all these terrible awful things that exist in the third world that you list... I WOULD LIKE TO FIX. Sure! But the way forward is NOT by making things worse here. It is by making things better there. It starts with better government and leadership there. That is something I can't do much about from the U.S.

The last part of your post is hopeful. A completely self contained economy like that is what third world nations need to work towards. Then they wouldn't even have a motice to export anything except items specifically easier to make or more unique to a region off to the U.S.