Get Out the Vote Efforts are Terribly Dangerous

[Gesslar]

Bramond:
What would these none voters say if the right to vote was taken away from them, well there would be uproar, right!!.

Exactly what Democracy is about. The right to vote or not to vote. Remember that some people specifically do not vote because there is nobody that represents their interests. One should not be forced to pick the lesser evil. By not voting, they are showing their disinterest in the available options.

[Bramond]

Originally posted by karahd
Bramond:
What would these none voters say if the right to vote was taken away from them, well there would be uproar, right!!.

Exactly what Democracy is about. The right to vote or not to vote. Remember that some people specifically do not vote because there is nobody that represents their interests. One should not be forced to pick the lesser evil. By not voting, they are showing their disinterest in the available options.

Yeah, just what i said my friend.

[Rosuav]

Of course, if you don't vote, you can't really say after the election, "It would have been better if So-and-so had won". Maybe that should be the plank of the please-vote argument: "Back your opinion when you say you don't like your President!"

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by Bramond
It realy is a shame imho that our fore fathers fought for Democracy in the countries that have it, and yet it is not appreciated by the a large majority.

A rant, and maybe a looney one at that, but i doubt i am far off the mark.

You are really far off the mark. When the Constitution first came into existence only white, male, landowners had the right to vote. The founding fathers did not feel that everyone should vote, nor did they wish everyone to vote. Some of our founding fathers really thought that blacks were non-human not capable of higher thought.

While our founding fathers were genious, they certainly didnt argue what you claim they did.

[Gesslar]

Originally posted by Rosuav
Of course, if you don't vote, you can't really say after the election, "It would have been better if So-and-so had won". Maybe that should be the plank of the please-vote argument: "Back your opinion when you say you don't like your President!"

I was waiting for this to be said. WHY do you think that one MUST vote in order to disparage the goverment that is put into power? Abstinence from voting on the basis of no body representing your ideals or failing to maintain trust (not the kind of trust where you trust them to be dishonest) IS entirely valid. This would be completely backing your opinion, in this case. Backing one guy simply for the sake of NOT getting the other guy is not responsible voting, in my opinion. These are playground tactics. If you don't find any candidate that suits your interests, this does not remove your ability to be vocal about it.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by karahd
I was waiting for this to be said. WHY do you think that one MUST vote in order to disparage the goverment that is put into power? Abstinence from voting on the basis of no body representing your ideals or failing to maintain trust (not the kind of trust where you trust them to be dishonest) IS entirely valid. This would be completely backing your opinion, in this case. Backing one guy simply for the sake of NOT getting the other guy is not responsible voting, in my opinion. These are playground tactics. If you don't find any candidate that suits your interests, this does not remove your ability to be vocal about it.

I agree.

Not voting is a perfectly legitimate way to express one's political opinion, and nobody who chooses this route should be made to feel guilty about it. Nor should they be told they no longer have the right to express their opinion about who wins.

In truth, not voting is the RESPONSIBLE and far more civicly praiseworthly choice if the person in question has not taken the time to become significantly educated on the issues.

[Bramond]

Originally posted by Frobozz
You are really far off the mark. When the Constitution first came into existence only white, male, landowners had the right to vote. The founding fathers did not feel that everyone should vote, nor did they wish everyone to vote. Some of our founding fathers really thought that blacks were non-human not capable of higher thought.

While our founding fathers were genious, they certainly didnt argue what you claim they did.

Ah, my appologies, but i meant Democracy the world over, not just in America. My fault as i came across as American, not so i am British. See this voting appethy is a problem here to, and no doubt for the same reasons as we have stated previously.

[Rosuav]

Originally posted by karahd
I was waiting for this to be said. WHY do you think that one MUST vote in order to disparage the goverment that is put into power? Abstinence from voting on the basis of no body representing your ideals or failing to maintain trust (not the kind of trust where you trust them to be dishonest) IS entirely valid. This would be completely backing your opinion, in this case. Backing one guy simply for the sake of NOT getting the other guy is not responsible voting, in my opinion. These are playground tactics. If you don't find any candidate that suits your interests, this does not remove your ability to be vocal about it.

Correction. I did not say disparaging the government. I was talking about the perpetual whinge that it would have been better with the other guys. Slightly but significantly different.

[Salimar]

I've been wanting to post about this for a long time as it is something that really bothers me. The problem is not too few people voting. The problem is too many uninformed and uneducated people voting.

I think this last sentence is unafortunately badly paraphrased. I agree, It is not much point that an uninformed person votes, like a lottery. However, uneducated people can be well informed. I know many cases of people who do not have formal education but are interested in politics and even directly involved. People who have fought for their ideas.

About the voting campaigns. I think sometime uninformed people can get informed through these campaigns and decide by themselves, which is positive. Definitely, everybody should participate in a democratic system. The aim is to make understand everybody that independently of their ideas, they should express them in a democratic manner, they should take their responsibility in society.

[Liathano]

i think he meant uneducated on the issues