CBS' Forged National Guard Memos

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by kestra
Like I said, I haven't made up my mind on this issue, nor is this issue finished yet.
My point was, just because this administration says something is so, doesn't make it so.

Could you PLEASE, for the love of all that is good and holy, read up on the issue?

The administration isn't the one providing the evidence that these documents are forged.

Thousands of independent document and typesetting experts, the widow of the supposed author, and the son of the supposed author, are the ones who say they are forgeries.

You need to do more than read moveon.org so you don't embarass yourself like this.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by Jozep
The Democrats should stick to talking about Bush's 4 years as President, and not worry about making up crap to make him look bad.

Sad because this is the state of politics in the USA. Two candidates whose main arguments are who did what 30 years ago. There is so much to talk about, I think it shows that neither candidate really has anything to say.

That's a great point.

There are a lot of things you can slaughter GWB on. Hell, talk about his ridiculous prescription drug plan that is a total hand out and you'll have conservatives looking your way.

I don't really feel bad for John Kerry getting hammered about his Viet Nam and post Viet Nam actions because *HE* made that a cornerstone of his campaign. But GWB has answered every question and authorized access to every document about his service ever since he ran for Governor. Further, he sure as hell never brags about his "military service" nor does he make it a campaign issue.

But really, this is a bit of a tangent too.

What is really important is that CBS did not engage in due dilligence in broadcasting this story, and they need to show some integrity and own up to their failures.

They need to spend equal time admitting that the documents are forgeries, they need to explain how they got duped, and they need to lay out a plan for how they will prevent such things from happening again in the future.

[kestra]

I intend to continue reading up on "the facts".

Drop your ridiculous moveon.org comments, Ari.
I'm not unreasonable or enslaved. I'm just unpopular.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by kestra
I'm just unpopular.

Ever wonder why? Could it be because your attitude and your posts indicate a closed mind that is uninformed about the issues? This lack of intellectual curiosity and study doesn't seem to deter you from spouting off at full volume though.

Originally posted by kestra
Drop your ridiculous moveon.org comments, Ari.

I promise to do so the instant you demonstrate an open mind that can do more than just parrot back extreme left wing talking points.

The issue in this thread has always been CBS' use of forged documents. It has never been anything said or claimed by the Bush administration.

[kestra]

my mind is open, not needing Ari's seal of approval to say "yes, kestra's mind is open" to legitimize it.

Like I've said at least twice now, I haven't made up my mind on this issue, and will continue to read up on it.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by kestra
my mind is open, not needing Ari's seal of approval to say "yes, kestra's mind is open" to legitimize it.

You need to read my signature again. Apparently it only worked on you for 1 or 2 posts, then it wore off.

*YOU* said you are unpopular. That means it is more than just me who has reached the same conclusion about you.

Originally posted by kestra
Like I've said at least twice now, I haven't made up my mind on this issue, and will continue to read up on it.

If you had even STARTED to read up on it, you wouldn't have thought it had anything to do with claims made by the Bush Administration. For that matter, if you'd even read this thread carefully you would have known that.

In the future, perhaps you should do this "continued reading" before you post. Just a tip.

[Gilgamar]

Originally posted by kestra
my mind is open, not needing Ari's seal of approval to say "yes, kestra's mind is open" to legitimize it.

Like I've said at least twice now, I haven't made up my mind on this issue, and will continue to read up on it.

Wow.
Just...Wow.

I mean, how in the world can such logic actually be argued and there be any chance of getting through?

Kestra, if I give you a dollar will you please go buy a clue? I mean, I'm a nice guy. I will give you a dollar for a clue.

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by kestra
I intend to continue reading up on "the facts".

Drop your ridiculous moveon.org comments, Ari.
I'm not unreasonable or enslaved. I'm just unpopular.

Im not defending Aristotle here at all, but I think anyone that wants to rip on Moveon.org... make fun of them, make a mockery out of moveon's supporters, should be allowed to. Moveon is a 527 piece of shit (as are most every 527 that's sole purpose is to pour out the bullshit).

Moveon sucks, moveon is pointless, well wait... moveon serves one very important purpose. It allows people in the middle to see that the "left" (by left I mean the leaders) is so far out on the margin that it really has lost touch with liberal america. The left is constantly getting their asses handed to them by the "right", who at least give off the appearance of accepting and incorporating the ideas of people that do not agree with their base.



Look at the DNC compared to the RNC. At the DNC they attempted to make themselves and their candidate appear more in the middle (everyone knows that it's unlikely an extremist will ever win on being an extremist) but how did they do it at the DNC? They brought out very liberal people who purported to support moderate liberal agendas, but who had track records of being unambashedly to the far left. The RNC? What did they do? They marched out a plethora of actual moderate conservatives, who have openly critized the base right on any number of platform agendas. As a moderate in the middle, ie independant voter, which looks more appealing?

I got off on a tangent, 527's like moveon are lame and should be sent off to African to see what real suffering is about - rather than what moveon says happens here.

[Pyrosama]

I watched Bill O'Reiley's piece tonight and the guy he interviewed gave out this website which is where I found the following page. There's more interesting reading about these fake documents.

Bogus Document Animation and Feedback