Idiots in Iraq and their Moronic Photos

[Jarkis]

my thoughts were...what kind of a dumbass, or dumbasses would risk taking photos of this sort of stuff!!

My thoughts exactly. Moving away from political crap...why in the first place did these American soldiers, who are risking their lives fighting in Iraq, taking photos of nude detainees.

I have seen the pictures and they are quick shocking.

And to take it further away from the topic. In war I pity two people, the soldiers who have to die and the civilians. This pictures that were first published by the Arab news network, Al-Jazheera, have already angered so many people including myself. If I wanted to blame someone in this I would blame the media for overexposure and blowing the topic over the lid.

[Zyth]

I think Tony Blair summed it up well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3698269.stm

Mr Blair, speaking on French television during a trip to France to mark Europe Day, said: "We apologise deeply to anyone who has been mistreated by any of our soldiers. That is absolutely and totally unacceptable.

"Those who are responsible for this - if they have behaved in this appalling way - they will be punished according to the Army disciplinary rules.

"I hope people understand, though, that is not what the majority of our soldiers are doing there.

"The activities of a few people who have brought shame to their situation should not detract from the work done by the vast majority."

[Jarkis]

Hmm...

I heard that picture was posed for. It was a hoax or something. The gun they used was not right, the ammo bag was open and had no ammunition inside and the piss was shadowed.

All this could have been avoided if the war wasn't started at all. One question. Where are the WMDs? Where have they mysteriously disappeared to?

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by Jarkis
All this could have been avoided if the war wasn't started at all. One question. Where are the WMDs? Where have they mysteriously disappeared to?

First: they have found some, just not anywhere near as much as they expected.

Second: Syria and Iran.

Third: WMDs were never the main reason I supported the move. I supported getting rid of Saddam and putting the first free country in the region (other than Israel). That is the only way to break the cycle.

[Solmyr]

Here are another couple of cartoons that say this well:

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000330.html

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000333.html

[Jarkis]

One thing to say about the cartoons are, not everyone is like that. Those comics are highly stereotypical view of what Muslims think. they are inaccurate.

As a Muslim, I am angered that Iraqis are being tortured in Abu Ghraib. But I do not rejoice when I see pictures of US soldiers getting killed and civilians being taken hostage.

Those who captured them also are desperate. You come into someones land and expect them to accept you with open arms like that? Those who fight, those militants, are not Saddam's supporters, they fight because they are being oppressed yet again. But this time by a different power. They have not tasted freedom. They could not act because of Saddam's reign. But once the reign was broken, chaos took over, it was a perfect time to strike. So if you see people getting abducted do not think that Muslims rejoice. We do not. We do not rejoice when bombs explode in Iraq. How many die because of this? US soldiers die needlessly, Iraqis die because of circumstance. Both sides deserve the blame. The USA and the Militants. But this is a war, and in reality war is never good. It is what make men divided and weak. You may have ousted a leader but you have now awaken its darker sides. To be at the sidelines watching atrocities made by both sides is sickening.

This is war, and we have to expect this things. We cannot just be angry and say that it was wrong. Take a step back and look. Because of war both sides suffer. No one really win in war. We just lose. This is just a taste of what is it like to be on either side. You are an American you get captured and killed. You are an Iraqi suspect, you are prone to be tortured. A civilian in Iraq, you might never know when a bomb blows you apart. People in Iraq are coming to terms with them. Their "peaceful" homeland now filled with foreigners who say they are there to free them. But think about it.

What difference did it make. When there was Saddam they were tortured when they were "suspected" to do something wrong. When now a new power is in Iraq, temporary power that is, they are still being put in detention when they are "suspected" of being a terrorist. So sometimes it raises questions for the reason the Americans are there and by this pictures those questions are being answered in a negative way.

[Pyrosama]

Originally posted by Jarkis

All this could have been avoided if the war wasn't started at all.

All of this could have been avoided had Saddam allowed the UN inspecters to continue their job. If he didn't have WMD (which is what the UN was there to confirm in the first place) then there is no need to refuse to cooperate. We gave him plenty of time to conform to the UN resolutions and he did not.

That's like saying "my brother wouldn't have died in a car accident if they hadn't invented cars."

[Jarkis]

If memory serves. I remember that Saddam did let them finish the work. They concluded their work in fact. I am quite sure of that.

In fact they concluded that there was nothing, no traces of WMD.

Then again its all memory. I will go research that later.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by Jarkis
To be at the sidelines watching atrocities made by both sides is sickening.

That's what happens when you refuse to solve your own problems. Someone else eventually shows up to solve them for you.

Perhaps the Middle Eastern Muslims should have taken action on their own sometime in the last few decades.

But no, its far easier to focus on Israel and support homicide bombers than to overthrow tyrants. Obsessing over Israel sure has gotten the Middle Eastern nations pretty far since 1963. 41 years have gone by and the Middle Eastern countries are as useless as ever. Other than oil, they are completely worthless nations. They have no industry of any worth, they contribute nothing to the world scientific community, and they let dictators destroy and pillage their rich historical heritage. Nice focus there, people.

Perhaps the Middle Eastern Muslims should create free nations instead of tyrannies. The only free nation in the region is Israel, and (hopefully soon) Iraq. The rest are ruled by dictators. Their main tool of control is to breed hatred of the West. It is a pretty simple formula. In order to maintain power, dictators breed sufficient hatred of the West to distract the people from their real enslavers- the rulers of their own countries.

They've had hundreds of years to solve the problem on their own. They didn't. Now their problem affects the rest of the world. Thus, the rest of the world has to act.

The schools teach absolute hatred of the West for no reason other than a desire to destroy the "infidel." This is nothing but an incredibly simplistic way to control the populace and maintain tyrannical power.

Jarkis wrote:

Those comics are highly stereotypical view of what Muslims think. they are inaccurate.

Those comics are dead on accurate. They aren't referring to Muslims specifically. They are referring to all people who hate America, the West, and by extension freedom and democracy.

As far as Muslims not rejoicing when America suffers, please take your head out of the sand. When the 9/11 attacks happened, the Middle East rejoiced. The fact that you and perhaps some people you know did not is the only reason there is HOPE for a solution short of genocide.

But do not pretend that the joy is not incredibly widespread whenever something evil happens to the United States or the west.

Jarkis wrote:

If memory serves. I remember that Saddam did let them finish the work. They concluded their work in fact. I am quite sure of that.

In fact they concluded that there was nothing, no traces of WMD.

Then again its all memory. I will go research that later.

Your memory does not serve, or perhaps you watch too much Al-jazera. Saddam refused to comply with over 14 UN resolutions and that was the final straw. The fact that he massacred millions of innocents and was stealing billions from the Oil for Food program that was supposed to be used to feed his people were additional justifications.

[leira]

I'm as anti-Bush as the next guy, but I don't blame the atrocities being commited on him. The only ones to blame for it are the officers that gave the orders and the soldiers that obeyed them. The way I see it, sick fucks are going to be sick fucks. If they weren't in Iraq, they'd likely be doing something equally as disgusting somewhere else.

On the other hand, Bush is the top of the chain of command, so he does have responsibilities in the matter. He has to make ammends for the actions of his troops, and he has to make sure that actions like this stop happening. To be honest, it sounds like he's trying to do just that.

All in all, it sounds like a case of sick fucks being sick fucks. It could have happened under any leader, and in any country.