Defense Technologies John Kerry Voted Against Creating and Funding

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by Sebboe
Can you name 3 things he has waffled on?

1- War on Terror
2- War in Iraq
3- Military Funding
4- Military Background
5- Tax cuts
6- Tax increases
7- Medicare/Social Security removal
8- Decrease in crime prevention funding


Sorry, went 5 over.

[kestra]

If you can explain to me how Bush can be a better mother, I'd like to hear it.
you need to read your second re-post a bit more closely.
"the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice."
--He's going to bring those Iraqis who want a free world to justice? That was the quote.

Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction."
--uuhhh....right!!

These quotes show how inept Bush is without a television prompter or a prepared speech.

[Aristotle]

Kestra babbled:

Speaking of waffling, Bush said he wouldn't use 911 in his political re-election campaign. He did.

First, is campaign strategy a political stance? No. The analogy doesn't hold.

Second, where is your citation of Bush saying no campaign ad would contain any mention or reference to 9/11? No such claim was made because it would be impossible to ignore the single most important event of his entire presidency.

Kestra dribbled:

He said before his "election" that he wasn't interested in nation building. That's clearly false.

Hello....... MacFly........ Before the election the US had never been the victim of foreign terrorism on our soil. When 3,000+ people got murdered that changed everything, didn't it?

Kestra drooled:

How is Iraq a success? The CPA doesn't even know who the hell they're going to turn power over to.
Afghanistan is nothing to brag about.

Do you EVER provide any evidence to back up anything you say?

Women are now allowed to learn to read, drive, get a job, and speak in Afghanistan. That is nothing to brag about? I think that is most definitely something to brag about.

If you made your post to this board in Afghanistan under the Taliban, you would have been beaten, tortured, raped, and most likely killed.

Millions of Iraqis are not being deliberately murdered because their political opinion differs from a dictator. That is not an improvement?

Humanitarian aid sent to Iraq from other countries actually goes to feed the people of Iraq rather than being used to build more palaces for Hussein.

Something does not have to be perfect in order to be deemed improved.

Kestra sputtered:

Regarding those millions who died while Hussein was in power....don't forget Ronald Reagan and Bush Sr. were very aware of his treatment of Kurds in the north and other discenting voices. They denounced the attrocities publicly, but it was still business as usual with Iraq.

Aha. So it was wrong of us not to overthrow Iraq in the 1980s while at the same time it is wrong of us that we did overthrow Saddam in 2003.

Do you even realize how absurd you sound?

Can you even comprehend how different things were in the 1980s than they are now?

Kestra gurgled:

If you're not appauled and furious at this administration, then you're not paying close enough attention.

You really need to educate yourself beyond the new left wing talk radio network and comedians who pose as political experts.

You cannot cite facts. You make sweeping generalizations without backing them up. You contradict yourself with ridiculous frequency.

If you want your opinions to be taken seriously, you need read a few dozen books on the history of the past 100 years or so and start reading newspapers and news periodicals. Try a few news shows (radio or tv) that aren't on CNN, NPR, or the new liberal left wing network (Al Franken, Garrafolo, et. al.).

As for being "appauled" [sic], what appalls me is people who think it is acceptable to steal from every hard working American in the country. That's John Kerry.

Stealing from Americans will always be more important to me than the vagaries of complex foreign policy.

The ultimate irony of all this is that even if John Kerry were elected, our foreign policy would hardly change. Most foreign policy decisions are not as flexible as people think they are.

I am glad that we have incredibly diverse political, social, and economic opinions on this forum. I respect anyone who expresses their opinions from a position of intelligence and understanding. I am disgusted when people take strong stances without making an effort to educate themselves first. It is completely repugnant when people do nothing but spew quotes from a political pamphlet, extremist web site, or political demagogue.

Furthermore, it is absolutely disgraceful for you to accuse people of "not paying attention" when your understanding of politics and knowledge of history is absolutely abysmal.

[Sebboe]

Originally posted by Frobozz
1- War on Terror
2- War in Iraq
3- Military Funding
4- Military Background
5- Tax cuts
6- Tax increases
7- Medicare/Social Security removal
8- Decrease in crime prevention funding


Sorry, went 5 over.

Can you site sources of votes or speeches that he had that contradict themselves or are you just going along with what you heard from the republican campaing machine?

Item 2, as he stated in the debates was something he voted for because Bush said he needed to get it passed so he could work with the UN but he never really spent any time with the UN. Powell went to the UN and said "Sadam has WoMD" and the UN said "Proof?" Then the US attacked and that was when Kerry said he didn't support it. He wanted a UN based resolution, which if had happened, there would be a UN based set of troops there instead of 98% US troops.

I think this is what you are talking about in item 1 but you didn't give specifics.

Item 3 I already posted about how the republican propaganda machine has taken great liberties to take 2 different votes he cast and accuse him of being against military investment and waffling all at onece.

Item 4. Please clarify.

Items 5 & 6. I don't have the voting records but tax cuts and tax increases are something that one is going to vote differently on from year to year based on the economy, the needs of the people and most importantly the content of the bill you are voting on.

Items 7 and 8. Off the top of my head I have no information on this without doing research but again I wouldn't be surprised if he rejected bills that said A, B and C and said, I can't vote for C, its just wrong but when the bill came back with just A and B he said ok.

[Sebboe]

Originally posted by Aristotle



Hello....... MacFly........ Before the election the US had never been the victim of foreign terrorism on our soil. When 3,000+ people got murdered that changed everything, didn't it?



Do you EVER provide any evidence to back up anything you say?

Just two quick points here.

Terrorists made an attempt at blowing up the world trade center with the van in the garage, so the first statement is just not true.

As far as your second quote, I'd like to point out that you started this thread with a list of things Kerry voted against but cited no facts.

[Aristotle]

Originally posted by Sebboe
Just two quick points here.

Terrorists made an attempt at blowing up the world trade center with the van in the garage, so the first statement is just not true.

That was a failed attempt. Nice of you to nitpick an irrelevant detail that had nothing to do with the point that was made.

Originally posted by Sebboe
As far as your second quote, I'd like to point out that you started this thread with a list of things Kerry voted against but cited no facts.

The list WAS the facts. Sheesh. I looked up his voting record. This is public record.