Well this is disturbing as hell.
Apparently this is a BLM leader in Louisville, KY, just an hour from us.
While reading this, I think it is important to remember that any time there is a group with no official process of joining or being a member, the frequency with which you get insane psychos like this is much higher.
White people, here are 10 requests from a Black Lives Matter leader
"White people: give us stuff. Because we deserve it all. Give us more stuff. Let us do what we like with it. We deserve to have stuff given to us for free. Also hurt other people who might, maybe, be going to talk against us."
Listen up, black supremacists. You can't solve problems by demanding hand-outs. EVER. I'm not sure if hand-outs will ever solve problems, but I am sure that demanding them won't. So get out there and earn what you're asking for - or earn enough respect that people will willingly give you things.
That was the dumbest thing I think I have ever read. And I'm including Baonn in that assessment.
Most of that list is dumb, I think there MIGHT be one relevant item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gromgor
Second, I thought Rosuav response was just as dumb, especially being from Australia, without any appropriate geographical, cultural, and historical context. Also, these people aren't Black Supremacist, loopy , but not Black Supremacist. I can show you ideology of Black Nationalist which is very similar to White Nationalist which is all bad for everybody. In short, people should be somewhat educated in their response before blabbing talking points.
Third, BLM is a mixing pot of a variety of voices jumbled together. I'm not a fan. I've always questioned their funding, and who writes their messages. The establishment doesn't seem to fear them like they feared the Pan-Africanism movement, Malcom-X, MLK, and Kwame Nkrumah. All of those listed have been assassinated for their ideas and attempts to bring all people closer together, which is the real fear of establishments.
Oohhh we have context in Australia. In Townsville today a statue of one of our slave traders was being questioned. Without a doubt, Australia's history is as evil as yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyrn
I know a lot more about your history than you know about ours. Context CAN be seen remotely. And can you disprove my actual point? I'm not saying that there hasn't been a problem in the past - but I am most definitely saying that demanding a hand-out won't solve anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyrn
Australia's had its share of racism and corresponding issues. And Australia's had its share of people trying to solve the problem, sometimes in good ways, sometimes not so good. When the formerly-superior (usually whites) makes a big show of "giving back" to the formerly-inferior, it may or may not actually be beneficial; when such a gift is *demanded*, it is NEVER beneficial.
Look, outdated rigid ideas such as these are the problem with finding positive solutions. These binary ideas and the people who latch onto them often operate in a world where life is ON -or- OFF and Black -or-White. When actually the world around them, and most certainly the human experience is more than just Black-or-White but shades of grey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosuav
This was the first problem that I had with your ideological perspective.
The second problem that I had was that your statement was a logical fallacy that creates a false dilemma for the reader. You provided them with only two options make demands or never make demands. This is an inherent problem since most humans aren't only inherently faced with two solutions to a problem. Thus, solving a human oriented problem ought not be limited to a choice to make demands or never make demands.
The last problem I have with your ideas is that I wonder what our world would be like if Woman didn't *demand* their right to vote or equal pay. I wonder what America would be like had John Brown not *demanded* equal rights for slaves, or Major General Oliver Howards attempts at *demanding* 40 acres and a mule for the freedman during reconstruction. I wonder would the world would be like if Martin Luther King didn't *demand* rights for people of color *AND* poor working whites.
I'm glad that government gave into these demands despite the opposition from those who harbor such flawed ideas, and the root problem isn't the audacity to demand, but if the said demands occupy the moral high ground which connects most humans.
Yea...the people in this article aren't demanding equality so much as they are demanding special treatment (inequality).
The rhetoric in the article is a special kind of racism in and of itself.
I agree with the idea that this article and MOST of the things that are demanded are straight crap. I, however, pushback on your rhetoric that this is racism, and even your ideal that this is inequality. When services are tailored for white folks its praised as a hand-up, but when the exact said services are offered to people of color it's deemed a hand-out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sier
Last cultural note of the day, Racism is a structural system where institutions (many American institutions) and laws that maintain the superiority of the status quo. This isn't that. I'll throw you a bone, and say there could be some prejudice elements within in this article.
Which services are you refering to?