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1:35:33 Long for the entire speech which I'm watching now.
brix were shat.
Yeah, those people who were throwing around that "Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" truism while dubbya was in office?
How's it taste.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Every law costs some freedom. Every law I've seen passed in Australia in the last few years has cost a LOT of freedom. He's totally right about the Greens (I can't remember who it was who coined the expression "Watermelons" - green on the outside, Red on the inside), but again, nothing new. I'm very much unimpressed with the USA trying to be part of Europe, though. To be quite frank, I'm highly unimpressed with the EU, too. It's not possible to unite all those countries into a single country, so you just try to add a layer of government over the top of them all. Not going to reduce bureaucracy any, is it! (Although the EU won my respect for having the guts to fine Microsoft for their monopolistic practices, and to hold up against them and force them to comply. So I'm not 100% against them - just 80%.) People cling to the concept of democracy, and that's fine, but if the people you vote for erode your freedoms, what can you do? Vote for the other party? They're going to do the same. Stand for election (or in America, run for office)? Maybe. What's to say you won't be just as bad, though?
All the countries we currently see are going to end up either collapsing in on themselves, or having a major MAJOR upheaval of government. The only way to avoid that would be to institute a progressive revocation of freedom-destroying laws, and no government has the guts to do that.
I have been following the "Bikie" aka Biker laws there and the freedom to wear patches VS thier so called Draconian gang lawsQuote:
Originally posted by Rosuav
Every law costs some freedom. Every law I've seen passed in Australia in the last few years has cost a LOT of freedom.
but who really needs freedom of speech or assembly right?
I hope your high courts overturn these.. I might want to take my bike and ride the south coast of OZ one day
Oh and by the way... ask the American Indians about the U.S. and Treatys!!! not really concerned about Obama the nobel peace prize winner signing anything...
Don't generalize too much on this point. There are plenty of countries that are fairly political stable and where the government is in tune with the will of the people.Quote:
Originally posted by Rosuav
All the countries we currently see are going to end up either collapsing in on themselves, or having a major MAJOR upheaval of government.
Canada, Switzerland, Finland are examples that immediately come to mind.
And with that, America goes back to bed.Quote:
Originally posted by xaxer
Oh and by the way... ask the American Indians about the U.S. and Treatys!!! not really concerned about Obama the nobel peace prize winner signing anything...
The reason Bikies seem to be copping so much shit is because they pretty much ARE organized crime in Australia.Quote:
I have been following the "Bikie" aka Biker laws there and the freedom to wear patches VS thier so called Draconian gang laws but who really needs freedom of speech or assembly right?
I don't know if this is the case all over, but here in WA, all drug dealers either a) have a bikie contact/supplier, or b) keep their sales low so as not to attract attention.
Unfortunately a lot of innocent motorcycle clubs get caught up in the covert sniping.
So.... it's just Americans then, who fear opressive gun control laws and high taxes?Quote:
Canada, Switzerland, Finland are examples that immediately come to mind.
That isn't what Rosuav said. He said that he expects countries to "collapse in on themselves" or be subject to a "major MAJOR upheaval in government". I think the time is coming when some significant fiscal policy shift will occur in the U.S. with respect to spending, and maybe you'll consider that to be a major upheaval. But that's not going to happen everywhere in the industrialized world.Quote:
Originally posted by Tartun
So.... it's just Americans then, who fear opressive gun control laws and high taxes?