Well, you know what they say... They all look alike, right?Quote:
Originally posted by Graeblyn
I believe Darion thinks Rashidat Junaid looks like Jay-Z
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Well, you know what they say... They all look alike, right?Quote:
Originally posted by Graeblyn
I believe Darion thinks Rashidat Junaid looks like Jay-Z
Since my experience is Canadian and not American, the only similarities I can draw are to the Aboriginals in Canada.
See we first called them Indians. Then that became offensive. They insisted we call them Natives. Then that became offensive. They insisted we clarify by saying Native Americans. Then that became offensive. They insisted we call them Aboriginals.
Its only a matter of time before that becomes offensive. Words are JUST WORDS. It is the society and culture that gives them the definition. I mean in the above scenario words have changed but the meaning has remained the same. No matter HOW I refer to an Aboriginal or what word I use, the cultural meaning can be attached. That cultural meaning being that "They, as an ethnic group, are inferior to my ethnic group."
Frankly when it comes to the Aboriginals I find myself CONSTANTLY walking on eggshells when I am trying to refer to their group as a whole and OFTEN found myself on the metaphorical end of a loaded gun of an Aboriginal waiting for me to say the wrong thing and pull the trigger.
There are a number of Aboriginals that are just looking to make themselves the victim and claim foul play and I wonder if a lot similarities can be found with the situation in the US.
Now if you are maliciously attacking (even verbally) an ethnic group and doing so intentionally, of course you deserve to be canned. I don't care if you are white, black, brown or pink.
But if you are sitting and waiting to raise the banner of "racism" or cry foul at any inkling of a misused phrase, in my opinion you deserve to be the victim.
Unless Imus has changed a great deal since I left the US, his job has always been to maliciously attack various people and groups on his program, so I am fairly confident he was doing exactly what he is accused of here. The thing is, as I allude to above, if he was hired to be an incendiary hatemonger, how can he be fired for doing exactly that?Quote:
Originally posted by Elvion
Now if you are maliciously attacking (even verbally) an ethnic group and doing so intentionally, of course you deserve to be canned. I don't care if you are white, black, brown or pink.
What would the point of this be?Quote:
if he was hired to be an incendiary hatemonger, how can he be fired for doing exactly that?
How does this advance dialogue and debate on an issue when you represent yourself, or take no measure to counter a perceived image?
Well, my point is that firing IMUS wasn't the act of an employer who had no idea he was a racist shit stirrer. They've known this for some time, and have been quite happy to cash in on his popularity with the demographic that enjoys that sort of thing. And, I sincerely doubt they will replace his program with something more socially redeeming.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
What would the point of this be?
How does this advance dialogue and debate on an issue when you represent yourself, or take no measure to counter a perceived image?
That has been a problem with me as well as I try hard not to offend anyone but it's hard when some want to be referred to as one thing and other ones wants to be referred to as another. It makes me feel very uncomfortable and so I do my best not to refer to their race at all just to avoid that whole walking on eggshells thing.Quote:
Originally posted by Elvion
Frankly when it comes to the Aboriginals I find myself CONSTANTLY walking on eggshells when I am trying to refer to their group as a whole and OFTEN found myself on the metaphorical end of a loaded gun of an Aboriginal waiting for me to say the wrong thing and pull the trigger.
I've had co-workers like this as well. You'd swear they were just waiting for you to foul up somehow on the race issue, so that they could pounce on you.Quote:
Frankly when it comes to the Aboriginals I find myself CONSTANTLY walking on eggshells when I am trying to refer to their group as a whole and OFTEN found myself on the metaphorical end of a loaded gun of an Aboriginal waiting for me to say the wrong thing and pull the trigger.
They often just end up isolating themselves, as people eventually stop talking to them all together.
Cannot stand the victim mentality.
To be fair, "nappy headed hoes" is absolutely nowhere near the line of what should be acceptable. You are black and female, therefore you are a prostitute? You don't get much more offensive than that. This wasn't an innocent slip of the tongue or a poor choice of words. This isn't some well meaning but confused guy accidentally applying an out of date label to someone. This is a guy that set out to be blatantly offensive and succeeded brilliantly.Quote:
Originally posted by Elvion
But if you are sitting and waiting to raise the banner of "racism" or cry foul at any inkling of a misused phrase, in my opinion you deserve to be the victim.
Yet at least 60% of all rap songs refer to women as "hoes" (or other such derogatory terms)? This level of social acceptance for names within a community is bound to leech out...but of course with the rapper, thats fine to say, but any white person...instant publicity and crying foul play.Quote:
Originally posted by leira
To be fair, "nappy headed hoes" is absolutely nowhere near the line of what should be acceptable. You are black and female, therefore you are a prostitute?
Sheesh! Be nice to your neighbour, quit being victimized, get over it. I'm no more likely to call anyone a 'socially unacceptable' name over anyone else...can't wait until the rest of the world wakes up to that suggestion too!
and 39% refer to women as "bitches."Quote:
Originally posted by kiania
Yet at least 60% of all rap songs refer to women as "hoes"
Leaving a full 1% to represent rap songs that positively reference women may even be a bit generous on my part.
Anyway, as has been observed, this guy has been getting paid to be offensive for years. As far as trying to be offensive goes, calling the team a bunch of "nappy headed hoes" is one of the least offensive and most general remarks I've ever heard. Whether it was from Imus or any other radio show host, that particular remark was relatively harmless in comparison.
The only reason Imus is being called out for it is because he's vulnerable. They (whoever it was who started this bullshit) knew they'd get exactly the reaction they were looking for. Why they chose now (as opposed to any/every other "insensitive" comment he's ever made), I don't know. Maybe "they" were bored.
The fact remains that, as has been stated, if a black guy had said this, it'd be perfectly fine. However, to illustrate my point about the reason Imus has been targeted for his matter, I'll use someone else. Just imagine what would have happened if it was Howard Stern who said this supposedly intentionally hateful statement. Oh, right, nothing.
Sure, there probably would have been some indignant people who complained about it, but it wouldn't have been front page news. I certainly wouldn't have seen it all over the news stations every day like I have been. They wouldn't bother going after him because they know he has no chance of being fired for such a thing, and because they know he wouldn't waste breath making a fake apology.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing wasn't orchestrated by Al Sharpton for the simple reason that the apology makes him feel like he's doing something that helps blacks. Actually, I'm giving him too much credit there. Let me rephrase:
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole wasn't orchestrated by Al Sharpton for the simple reason that the apology makes it look like he's trying to do something that helps blacks.