Objections Mounting over Bush Library

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Originally posted by Aristotle
I don't like Bush. I never voted for him. ... I think he is a terrible leader who cares more about pandering for votes than solving problems.

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If everyone saw the sense in this, pandering for votes wouldn't get you reelected. However, vote-panderers get back in. Ergo, there are a lot of stupid people in the polling booths who vote poorly.

Having accepted that (which, btw, is just as true of Australia as it is of America, and probably of every country that's ruled by representative democracy), we then need to stop talking about stupid presidents (or prime ministers, or whomever) who just go looking for votes. Actually, in a Machiavellian way, they are perhaps MORE intelligent than those who go into politics to try to _do_ something, because looking for votes is what gets you reelected, and reelection is the only real gauge politicians have of success.

To eliminate stupid politicians, just don't vote for them. And tell all your friends to vote against them too. Nothing else will do.

Reminds me of Bruster's Millions. "I want to buy your vote! Vote for none of the above!"

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Originally posted by kestra
I won't be changing a thing. If you believe I don't care who suffers, you're wrong. It's really that simple.

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September 11 was a blank cheque for the Bush Administration....

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So compassionate! So Caring! Never before has such a tragic and horrific loss of life been so beautifully captured and memorialized!

You obviously have a deep concern for the friends and families of those who lost loved ones. Loved ones that died in a terrorist attack... sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, wives, husbands...

Maybe you can put that on a bumper sticker... dig up their graves and slap that baby on the coffin.

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You don't care who suffers, as long as it's an American.

I'm holding a finger up, guess which one.

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Originally posted by kestra
I won't be changing a thing. If you believe I don't care who suffers, you're wrong. It's really that simple.

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Kestra nobody in this thread believes you care (at least that I can see), and not everyone here is pro-Bush or conservative, neccessarily. I don't like George Bush, either. I wouldn't call him a horrible leader or a miserable failure, but I do think in contrast to some of the men of history I admire, he is quite poor or below average. Still, I and lots of others are apparently getting the wrong impression about you. Not only that, we're all getting the SAME wrong impression about you.

Now ... how can you say that's OUR fault? You know what? People on these forums and on citizen by and large can't stand me. I don't think they really know me, and if they did, we'd get along a lot better and they'd understand when I'm just having a Lewis Black moment or being sarcastic. Whose fault is that, though? If one person misunderstands me, okay, I might can blame it on that person. If five people misunderstand me and they all misunderstand the same way, then I have to hold myself a bit more accountable.

Quit being so stuck up. There are two options, here. 1) Your rhetoric is displaying your true, blind hatred for the U.S. administration -- a hatred that would have them come out of Iraq looking like shit no matter what the cost or suffering. 2) Your rhetoric is giving everyone the wrong impression about you and that's YOUR fault and YOU need to change the way you speak about things.

I'm going to cut straight to the chase and tell you I think it's option number one, I just don't think you can bring yourself to actually admit your inner most desires and what you'd be willing to accept in order to see them play out on the evening news. You're just like every other big liberal I know. You're invested in this country's failure. The liberals I'm talking about don't like that soldiers and Iraqis are dying, but every time one DOES die, they jump for joy because it proves their point -- it vindicates their arguments. So yes, I think you like it when people die and our Mid-East efforts fail. It makes you feel right, and human beings love to feel right.

Am I wrong? If I am, that's your fault. I gather I'm not the only one that feels this way about you.