Lieutenants: a day late and a dollar short compared to NCOs since 14 June 1775!Quote:
*Edit: Darion posted a lot of what I was going to reply with... bastard*
Ok, so I'm going to OCS. I still couldn't resist!
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Lieutenants: a day late and a dollar short compared to NCOs since 14 June 1775!Quote:
*Edit: Darion posted a lot of what I was going to reply with... bastard*
Ok, so I'm going to OCS. I still couldn't resist!
I will find you.. and your butter bars. We'll talk then!!!:DQuote:
Originally posted by Darion
Lieutenants: a day late and a dollar short compared to NCOs since 14 June 1775!
Ok, so I'm going to OCS. I still couldn't resist!
Is it official? The OCS?
Took the OCS chat to a PM, as mere civilians cannot be privy to the dark and twisted practices of the US Army :devil
Bah! Lieutenants are the best. In the Israeli army this rank means you've done more than the minimum that is required from you, but haven't sold your soul to the army. It's kinda funny, but there are lots of smart lieutenants are captains in the army, but as you go up in ranks, it is much harder to find them smart officers.Quote:
Originally posted by Darion
Lieutenants: a day late and a dollar short compared to NCOs since 14 June 1775!
EDIT: And it has nothing to do with the fact I was (and still is, in reserves) a lieutenant.
Ah, this cracks me up. The fact that people don't even have to have the right information and can spout all the shit they want about the president makes your opinion a hideously silly one when seen in writing. Presidents should be "accountable" whenever certain parties want things focused on certain their agenda. That's true of all parties. When Bill Clinton was held "accountable", moveon.org was created, and we should forgive the man and stay out of his privat elife. When George W. is held accountable, certain people claim that they're "not allowed to question the president" or are being repressed. (Strange how their opinions still seem to be everywhere!) Our president should be held accountable, but S. Hussein shouldn't be held accountable for actually killing people who voiced opinions against his regime? Seriously, this statement truly cracks me up.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
Every president needs to be accountable for their decisions and actions. Sadly this administration isn't known for accountability. Apparently we're not supposed to question the president.
(By the way, please note that several people have posted much more strongly against a few of your opinions before any "admins" spoke up, so please don't accuse us of trying to "squelch" your opinions while ignoring the fact OTHER people have a problem with your off-the-cuff style of posting. I'm going to expect you to send them all a PM before you start attacking the admins again. Perhaps you should just take accountability for your own posts and stand by your opinion if you truly believe in them instead of simply blaming "the man" and falling back on the tired, ole "admins are putting me down" story.)
I think I'm more amazed by the rapidity of how people who don't even bother to know anything about the people they're making generalizations about can throw out uneducated opinions. Savaric, Gillan, Darion, and Jidoe all serve in the military. At least one of them has actually BEEN in Iraq during active fighting times. One of them ENLISTED after 9/11 AFTER we were involved in the war. One of them LIVES in the area we're all discussion like experts.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
There's not alot -right- with it, either.
I am continually amazed at the non chalant way people are willing to go to war, as long as they don't have to do the fighting.
I'm completely against the war the way it's been run, and I think that it's a shame that any chance that something good might have resulted by this has been completely handicapped by world politics. Regardless of whether or not it was RIGHT to go to war (which can be and has been debated endlessly and tirelessly by a gajillion people), the fact is that we DID go to war. Bitching and moaning about woulda-coulda-shoulda pretty much gets us nowhere anymore, especially when we have presidents that let polls guide their actions.
What's the real solution? It's definitely not sitting around pointing fingers and saying, "Oh, I could have done SO MUCH BETTER." The fact is that there are a lot of brilliant minds out there that could be actively trying to fix the situation rather than simply repeating the same crap we've been hearing for 3 years about who might have lied and who might have believed the lies and who might have... so on and so forth. I'm all for questioning our world leaders, but I'm totally not for driving around Big Ben 200 times saying, "Look, kids, Big Ben!" (That's my creative way of saying that I'm sick of seeing all these people in power continually spinning their wheels in the mud.)
Honestly, with the elections coming up and another Clinton making a bid at the presidency, I think that they're just ultra sensitive about ANYTHING that could possibly make them look bad even if it doesn't really make them look bad. Our country seems to be ultra-politicized at the moment, and things that aren't 100% backing either the right or the left comes under heavy fire from whatever side has decided they've been slighted. This attitude has kept me away from most popular media for a while now. I now try to just watch the shows that entertain me and just take all the information they give me with a grain of salt. I would quit being involved entirely if I didn't believe that responsible citizens should have at least a little bit of an idea of what's going on.Quote:
Originally posted by Darion
Edit: If I read the article correctly, this has not even been SCREENED yet. How is the extent negative portrayal of the Clinton administration even known so widely that it merits national coverage?
I completely agree with Dal, And kudos to Darion and the others that serve!
All I can say to those folks in the military is THANK YOU!
............like I said, EVERY president.Quote:
Every president needs to be accountable for their decisions and actions. Sadly this administration isn't known for accountability. Apparently we're not supposed to question the president.
If you believe people like Donald Rumsfeld, you're not supposed to question the president and his decisions,as this benefits the enemy.
Do Air Cadets count? :pQuote:
Both Gillan and myself are in the military. I have served a tour in theater already. If I remember right, Gromgor is also prior service, though I am hazy in regard to whether or not Savaric is in.
You're right, I've never served in the military. But if I did, all I'd ask is to be sure the reasons I'm being asked to die are sound and factual. And I'd really appreciate it if the commander in chief didn't spout out stupid lines like "bring it on", as this would seem to make me more of a target.
Indeed Dalaena, I couldn't agree more. Perhaps you should take that advice to heart as well.Quote:
I think I'm more amazed by the rapidity of how people who don't even bother to know anything about the people they're making generalizations about can throw out uneducated opinions.
Indeed, the owners of Threshold have an excellent track record of freedom of speech and thought on this forumQuote:
(By the way, please note that several people have posted much more strongly against a few of your opinions before any "admins" spoke up, so please don't accuse us of trying to "squelch" your opinions while ignoring the fact OTHER people have a problem with your off-the-cuff style of posting. I'm going to expect you to send them all a PM before you start attacking the admins again. Perhaps you should just take accountability for your own posts and stand by your opinion if you truly believe in them instead of simply blaming "the man" and falling back on the tired, ole "admins are putting me down" story.)
I'll take a heated debate to a stab in the back any day. However Dalaena, your statement is so far out there, I'm having trouble knowing where to begin.
If there is history where I haven't taken accountability for my posts, I'll publicly apologize on this forum.
If you believe that I don't stand by my believes, I recommend you review all my posts on this forum regarding Iraq, the Bush Administration etc.., and I think it'll paint a vivid picture for you.
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic here (correct me if I'm wrong), and I honestly don't know what your "stab in the back" reference is. Please feel free to enlighten me. I'll link it up for you so that you know where I'm coming from and you won't think I'm so "far out there". I'm referring to the slew of PMs you sent when someone from the administration (who had the audacity to have an opinion different from yours) with some seriously outrageous claims and blaming certain admins for the opinions and posts of OTHERS.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
Indeed, the owners of Threshold have an excellent track record of freedom of speech and thought on this forum
I'll take a heated debate to a stab in the back any day. However Dalaena, your statement is so far out there, I'm having trouble knowing where to begin.
People aren't "repressing you" just because they happen to have strong opinions that differ from yours. You still get to talk, but it might mean that your posts might come under some heavy fire. Blaming "the man" and attacking them privately just because you have an unpopular opinion that comes under fire doesn't seem like taking accountability for what you post. It seems like a cheap way to get someone to quit posting their own opinions by claiming that they're being unfair and repressive.
I did. I decided to be more specific rather than generalizing to be socially correct. :)Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
Indeed Dalaena, I couldn't agree more. Perhaps you should take that advice to heart as well.
See above.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
If there is history where I haven't taken accountability for my posts, I'll publicly apologize on this forum.
Oh, we've no DOUBT that you stand by your beliefs... to the exclusion of all other views. In fact, it's downright predictable what you'll post. You're totally mistaken if you think I was talking about your consistancy of belief. I'm just saying that sometimes, popular opinion may be against you. You don't just blame it all on one dude and claim that you're being treated unfairly. Either review your opinion, stick by it, or stop posting whenever you've lost intersest in the issue. Don't try to guilt someone into not posting.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
If you believe that I don't stand by my believes, I recommend you review all my posts on this forum regarding Iraq, the Bush Administration etc.., and I think it'll paint a vivid picture for you.
Seriously, though, you're entitled to your beliefs and every single opinion you have, but so are other people, even if they happen to be lowly admins. People aren't trying to repress you or stop you from posting just because they have a strong opinion opposing yours. You're also not the only person to get moderated in this forum, and yes, the admins/mods moderate each other as well. (I'm likely to wake up and find parts of my posts removed or completely deleted due to its somewhat off topic nature that could potentially devolve into a flame war with a stern letter wanting to know what kind of drugs I've taken tonight.)
Both parties are totally at fault here. There should ALWAYS be a healthy questioning of what our leaders do. It'll be a sad day in the world when people blindly follow their leaders in everything they say. However, the problem here is that so much of the questioning nowadays is UNHEALTHY. Calling Bush a muderer and a false president is outright silly when there's plenty of things you can totally and legitimately bash him on. Yet, we see from the last election that the higher ups in the left support and use these tactics themselves. Then, of course, the far right retaliates by saying that people who question the president are anti-American and are aiding the enemy. That's a VERY BIG generalization of what a very few but powerful organizations are doing. Unfortunately, both sides know that the easiest route for both of them is to dumb down the issue so that it can be chanted over and over to their constituents so that they don't have to be bothered to look up the issues and educate themselves. The far left and the far right have claimed so many "issues" that the moderates can't be heard anymore.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
If you believe people like Donald Rumsfeld, you're not supposed to question the president and his decisions,as this benefits the enemy.
If you're okay with capital punishment, people automatically assume that you're Pro-Life because that's a "right" stance. It'd be much more logical to assume that someone who's for capital punishment is also Pro-Choice because in both cases, you're okay with killing life. But no, since the issues have been split up so neatly between the right and the left, the extremists will assume you're totally against them if you take any views opposing their list. And people who don't want to take the time to actually learn the issues and form an opinion for themselves, gladly just fall in line with a "side" and take up their issues.
It's amazing what the result is sometimes. I know people that wouldn't watch Commander in Chief because they swore that it was propaganda for Hillary Clinton since there was a female president involved. Yet, the far left apparently had a problem with the show because they said it was a right wing propaganda attempt to de-sensitize the American public to having a woman president. Maybe, just maybe, it was a cool show about an Independent and how things can be on Capitol Hill.
We have the same thing with this show. Because of the fact that Clinton MIGHT be mentioned negatively (and that doesn't fit with the "It's all Bush's fault"), this has been labelled right-wing propaganda and inaccurate. For all we know, the drama might slam Bush just as hard. Clinton may only have a 5 minute segment. At the same time, if there's more than equal time spent on Clinton as there is on Bush, the show will get labeled "leftist" propaganda by the far right. MAYBE it's just a show! It just seems that with every show, every issue, every thought, a line has to be drawn in the sand.
Anyway, sorry about the multiple rants and exceedingly long posts. As you can see, it's 4 am. I shouldn't be up.
I'm not sure about other world militaries, but in the US military demanding your questions be answered by your superiors is not an option. There is only one reason that one dies for the US and that is freedom and what it stands for. At the moment, you have the freedom to join. If you don't want to die in a war, then you don't join.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
You're right, I've never served in the military. But if I did, all I'd ask is to be sure the reasons I'm being asked to die are sound and factual. And I'd really appreciate it if the commander in chief didn't spout out stupid lines like "bring it on", as this would seem to make me more of a target.
Also, if you choose not to serve, at least support those who do serve. Because they are the ones that are ensuring the continued freedoms that we do have.
There's a difference between asking and demanding, but you're probably right. Likely a reason I've never signed up for military service. But I stand by my previous statement.Quote:
I'm not sure about other world militaries, but in the US military demanding your questions be answered by your superiors is not an option.
I'd much rather get into heated debates, or even arguments with someone, than suffer the proverbial stab in the back, or gossip. This was a general statement, just like my other one about some people non chalant attitude to going to war, which some people assumed was meant for Savaric, Gillan, Darion, and Jidoe.Quote:
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic here (correct me if I'm wrong), and I honestly don't know what your "stab in the back" reference is. Please feel free to enlighten me.
Despite this forum administration's claims, I don't care if people have a different opinion than mine. What I will not tolerate is people pulling out the victim card when they're trying to score points, nor will I tolerate my characterQuote:
I'm referring to the slew of PMs you sent when someone from the administration (who had the audacity to have an opinion different from yours) with some seriously outrageous claims and blaming certain admins for the opinions and posts of OTHERS.
being attacked with stupid baseless claims of being a moveon.org or other left wing group supporters.
To quote Dalaena once again...
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I think I'm more amazed by the rapidity of how people who don't even bother to know anything about the people they're making generalizations about can throw out uneducated opinions.