Being an ass seems to be the next protected group in the US.
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Being an ass seems to be the next protected group in the US.
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Originally posted by Dalaena
Being an ass seems to be the next protected group in the US.
Yes, I'm just glad the bikers (who have shown up at a few funerals) don't really give a flying hoot about their 'protected' status.
How do you think I felt when I got a mass message from Fort Campbell saying to avoid these people organizing a planned protest in front of our gates... and I'm over here in Iraq going "What protest??" As soon as I learned what it was, that it was to disrupt a remembrance ceremony, I was pissed. My wife had to hear that shit from about a mile away. She was relieved, though, to hear that the bikers were there to drown out the protesters. Didn't make it any less annoying. Anyway, yeah. I've heard all about it and it's disgusting that we defend their right to do stupid and disgraceful shit like this. Well, that's enough of a rant from the sandbox. Glad to see the overwhelming support from you guys... as always. :)
it looks like states are trying to pass laws to keep protesters at least 300 yards away and or out of earshot at funerals.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/..._motorcyclists
Cheers to the Patriot Guard til then!
Here is the Church's response to the new laws:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3710717.html
I'm having a hard time understanding how this is not already disturbing the peace or something similar. I never have really understood how any so called "protest" that basically interferes with the simple day to day activities of people can ever be legal. I thought the whole point of such protests was to practice "civil disobedience".
Heh, these people will no doubt accelerate the headlong rush to legalize gay marriage, which is ironic to say the least.
Seems the whole concept of freedom of expression and personal rights have gone all haywire.
This is all just bad taste. Nothing proud or patriotic about these actions.
First: I wish State Congresses would NOT pass any laws regarding this. As long as it remains ordinary citizens stepping up to do what they feel is right then all the protesters can legally do is try to be louder than a group of bikers. (Ain't gonna happen) If laws are passed then a lot of money and lot of lawyers will be found accessible to the protesters. With hastily scribed legalities comes the inevitable challenging of it. That just opens up possibilities that would be best left unopened.
Second: Civil Disobedience is still disobedience. You can't commit Civil Aggravated Assault, Civil Grand Theft Auto, Civil Breaking and Entering. Putting Civil in front of something does not change what it is. Fuck Civil Disobedience. It's a funny name to mean someone is doing something unproductive. Something that probably also interferes with other people being productive members of society.
I should stop before this turns into a rant about hippies.
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Originally posted by kestra
Seems the whole concept of freedom of expression and personal rights have gone all haywire.
This is all just bad taste. Nothing proud or patriotic about these actions.
It's an interesting thing. Philosophy teaches us that without "up" there is no "down". Without "left" there is no "right". Without "war" there is no "peace". Good and Bad. Right and Wrong.
Without having groups like the protesters around there would be no reason nor measure against which their opposite could be formed. Ironicly the "proud patriotism" of the bikers would have had no outlet if not for them. They are owed at least a measure of thanks for providing the catalyst that brought about what is probably the greatest show of real patriotism on American soil I've heard about in a while.
A wall of men (and probably women) protecting the families of the fallen from those very evils we gladly protect. Just because someone has the right to speak doesn't mean they have the obligation to be heard.
Heh, yes civil disobedience is still disobedience. That's more or less my point. I don't know why there needs to be any new law. What they are doing would seem to me to already be illegal, and if they want to do it they should be willing to pay the price in terms of fines and jail time, assuming their "cause" is that important to them.
Hippies suck. I mean, I don't mind beards and long hair, but the quintessential 'hippie' to me is to the 60's what the "secularist" is to modern times -- strident discord concerning the status quo without legitimate alternative plans being put forth. Change for the sake of change is nothing more than fit pitching, and it's already harmed millions and it will get worse until we stop just changing things for the sole reason that we can. In the good old days you could arrest people for screaming in the streets without fear of "abridging their civil liberties". Common sense superseded hyper-intellectual nonsense. Now all that needs to happen is a hint of a possibility that "SCIENCE" has discovered that something is different than it was believed to be and all of society is turned on its ear, and civil disobedience has, for the sake of such changes, been expanded and expanded until it has become something of a civil RIGHT to break the law and disturb the peace.
Funny how no one seems to notice this unless it's a bunch of red necked morons doing the demonstrating. There was a lot of noise a few weeks back, or perhaps a month or two ago about the Nazi's, even though it was actually the blacks in the neighborhood they demonstrated in that caused most of the damage. Meanwhile, hippies can demonstrate in the streets, get naked and behave in lewd and lascivious ways, and even cause property damage over anything from the fur industry to international trade to gay rights, and it's considered acceptable, if not even entirely noble and good in some circles.
Look down the list here of issues you've all chosen to make posts about and tell me I'm wrong. Even those of you who tend not to like liberal politics, show me where you've had a thread devoted solely to the rudeness of a particular demonstration or its illegality. We've all been innoculated against complaining about liberals who do this exact same thing for some reason.
And that's why now we are helpless against these people. We have taken so much of this crap from one side, we feel somehow obligated to take it from the other. Even Ari goes, "I don't know what can reasonably be done about it." I know exactly what is reasonable to be done about it. You take assholes who interrupt funerals and you haul their sorry asses to jail is what can reasonably be done about it, and if some fancy pants lawyer has a problem with that you point out that there is a difference between free expression and distubring the peace. And if the ACLU doesn't like it, you fight them too. And if that doesn't work, you do the next thing, and the next thing, and you demonstrate in the streets yourself and show how much more damage several hundred thousand angry citizens could do than a handfull of nitwits, and the government eventually remembers that one of its main responsibilities is called "keeping the peace" and that allowing people to get in people's face and act in objectionable ways with impunity acts to the detriment of that peace.
That's what you do about it. If you're too chicken-s*%t to do that, then expect the rest of your lives to put up with a lot more of this sort of rudeness.