Here is a really great article that makes some interesting points in comparing the negative defeatists to the same types of folks from Cold War times:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/t...20050201.shtml
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Here is a really great article that makes some interesting points in comparing the negative defeatists to the same types of folks from Cold War times:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/t...20050201.shtml
I'm not a defeatest, I simply don't share your opinion.
What is sad and obvious is that if the US had done the exact same things with say, Bill Clinton at the helm, folks like yourself would be completely behind it.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
I'm not a defeatest, I simply don't share your opinion.
I am no fan of George Bush, but I don't let that cloud my judgement about whether or not in the end something very good has happened.
This election is the best thing to happen to the Middle East since the Library of Alexandria.
wrong again!!Quote:
What is sad and obvious is that if the US had done the exact same things with say, Bill Clinton at the helm, folks like yourself would be completely behind it.
I only said that Clinton was charming.
If Clinton were at the helm, he'd actually be held accountable for the mess, unlike Bush, who sees his re-election "mandate"
as vindication, and not having to be held accountable for his mistakes in his first term.
I was reading an interesting article by a SFU Political Professor who raised this hypothetical scenario:
Will the United States really defend freedom and democratic rule in Iraq if it results in a government that pursues policies seen to be contrary to American strategic and economic interests?
I doubt it. When you invest time, money and people, you expect a return on that investment.
I found this great article and I encourage you to read it. I wish I could quote anything to make it easier for you, but I agree with every single point made therein. It's lengthy, but hey, it never hurts to make an effort and jump the fence to see how things REALLY are on our side :
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story2705.php
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
Jarkis, will you provide some link or source to that poll you mentioned? I'd be interested in reading about that.
Thanks Solubynn.
I think on such matters it's better to not quote the source and make people read it and make/draw their own conclusions. It's good to have a 'local' opinion on the matter as well!
Kestra.... your statements are all cookie-cutter party line rhetoric. It's just painfully obvious that the only reason you don't accept the newfound freedom of the Iraqi is because A) George Bush is the President or B) A Republican is the President. Why do you always have to harp on the negatives? The Iraqi people are moving forward and finally beginning a period of self-rule. You may question the motives that led to this election (i.e. War on Iraq) but that was not what Aristotle was posting about.Quote:
Originally posted by kestra
wrong again!!
I only said that Clinton was charming.
If Clinton were at the helm, he'd actually be held accountable for the mess, unlike Bush, who sees his re-election "mandate"
as vindication, and not having to be held accountable for his mistakes in his first term.
I was reading an interesting article by a SFU Political Professor who raised this hypothetical scenario:
Will the United States really defend freedom and democratic rule in Iraq if it results in a government that pursues policies seen to be contrary to American strategic and economic interests?
I doubt it. When you invest time, money and people, you expect a return on that investment.
As Aristotle said, if Clinton or Kerry were at the helm then you would be gloriously basking in the sunlight and praising your commander-in-chief.
Guess you're absolutely livid about that tax cut you got.
wrong again!Quote:
Kestra.... your statements are all cookie-cutter party line rhetoric.
The democrats are a dismal failure, and I don't support them.
wrong again!Quote:
Guess you're absolutely livid about that tax cut you got.
I am canadian!
3 strikes you're out!!Quote:
As Aristotle said, if Clinton or Kerry were at the helm then you would be gloriously basking in the sunlight and praising your commander-in-chief.
Any commander in chief who uses the threat of WMD, then in essence, shrugs his shoulders after they're not found, in
my opinion has alot of explaining to do.
I normally stay away from voicing my thoughts while conversations regarding matters of current war/politics/events are being discussed, but I do follow them. And after following this thread for a while, I have to say....Kestra, really. You -HAVE- to read more about things before you start talking about them and voicing your opinion. I'm all for freedom of speech and all that jazz. But when the person excercising said right of freedom to speech without being at least -SOMEWHAT- informed on the subject, it gets to be grating on the nerves. So, Kestra, my advice to you is that you read up on the subject, and back up your opinion with fact, instead of simply defending it in further posts using only more opinion.
Now, in regards to the Iraqi elections...all I can say is holy shit. I never thought I'd see something like this happen in my lifetime. Way to go Iraq. Now I just hope that they can keep things in check, and keep the momentum going. This is a HUGE step for them, going from a dictatorship to a democracy. While it might take some time for them to adjust, I'd like to think that, while I might not agree on a personal level with the reasons for going in there, I do believe that Bush's heart was in the right place in this matter, and did what, ultimately, could(and already is) proving to be a great thing for Iraq.
Ah,Quote:
Originally posted by Solubynn
Jarkis, will you provide some link or source to that poll you mentioned? I'd be interested in reading about that.
The problem is, I am quoting a publication that my family receives every month from our Islamic community. The views are those expressed in SIngapore only and do not represent those in neighbouring countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia.
However from THIS article, it might give you a certain idea of what Muslims in this region feel.
To get a more wider view of what Muslims around the world feel, this is the link, Here.
But it doesn look good in the other parts of the world.